08-17-2011, 07:27 PM
Location: Pittsburgh area
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Heh, now this is the Pittsburgh kitchen remodel (or not) thread.
I'm not sure anything is timeless completely. Almost everything goes through a non-timeless stage it seems like. I think now we believe some types of woodwork including flooring could be timeless, but there are still some who would not care for those looks and textures, and certainly 30 and 40 years ago that stuff was all considered outdated. Kitchens are almost by definition not timeless because they involve technology that changes. And I haven't seen one yet where the cabinets don't ultimately look dated, but maybe that won't happen in another 10-20 years looking at some of these 90s and 00s kitchens....
Personally my problem with a pretty ugly kitchen is making sure I get to enjoy any changes I decide to make before leaving. Which means I have to do something soon. But I can't be spending tons so going to have to try some DIY stuff in there. Refacing would be an appropriate sized project but the crap that's in here is in no way worthy of refacing and new counter. I don't think it would survive the counter being removed very well, just cheap crap. I figure maybe, just maybe I can do floor and cabinets if I work at it and can live for many weeks things torn up, and don't change the layout much (so no big changes in electrical/plumbing, just cabinets and floor). Then I can get someone else to do counter. And not granite, not in this place. I think it would fall through the floor, LOL. I'd probably be more inclined to do an engineered quartz but that actually costs more than some cheap granite. Probably be laminate, totally appropriate for this house I think. I really don't have a fondness for granite at all, but then I've never gone and seriously started considering kitchen options. So I won't say never....
Concrete doesn't interest me in this house but I definitely can see why it is interesting at times. Go for it Hopes. Outlaw Studios, don't know if that's the outfit you mean, but that's the one with the big rep around town AFAIK.
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08-18-2011, 06:18 AM
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In our last house we redid the kitchen ourselves. We did nothing that required a lot of specialized work, although I did build a couple custom cabinets to fill in odd places. For example, we didn't change the laminate counter, but we did add a beadboard backsplash and oak edging stained to match the existing oak island top. We looked into stripping or replacing the existing painted cabinets, but ended up just repainting them and adding new hardware and task lighting. And so forth.
08-18-2011, 06:29 AM
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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I have restored homes since the 1990's. Guess what? The kitchens I have put in are all still there and the last three had granite. It is expected in the homes I do since... well they are higher end. I guess down in the city, Formica is king, but not out my way. Quality rules.
My parents put a really high quality shag carpet in their house in the 70s. Didn't keep it from looking dated.
08-18-2011, 06:36 AM
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My parents put a really high quality shag carpet in their house in the 70s. Didn't keep it from looking dated.
Great point! My parents had a quality shag rug in the family room in the 70s in a high end home in Fox Chapel of all places!
08-18-2011, 06:46 AM
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Formica is king, but not out my way. Quality rules
Is there something inherently better about granite? The benefits seem minor to me, other than style.
08-18-2011, 06:50 AM
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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Yeah, fads come and go, the best thing anyone can do, I think, is put into their home what they like and enjoy it. If you're looking at real estate only as an investment, then you're not going to agree with me, but I look at it as my home. Of course, I bought a house that any stager would have told the previous owners was "too taste specifc" and that they should paint over all of the color and make it beige before selling. But I also just slid in before two other offers and the house wasn't on the market a full month. So I don't think the "rules" always apply.
08-18-2011, 07:21 AM
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Yeah, fads come and go, the best thing anyone can do, I think, is put into their home what they like and enjoy it. If you're looking at real estate only as an investment, then you're not going to agree with me, but I look at it as my home.
It blows my mind when some people in this area talk about investment and resale value. Most Pittsburghers live in their homes for decades and their kitchens will be outdated by the time the house is on the market again. It makes more sense to install what you like so you can enjoy it while living there, unless you plan to relocate in a few years but then you have to be careful to not put too much money into short-term housing since real estate doesn't appreciate fast in this region.
08-18-2011, 08:09 AM
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What Hopes said. We're planning on living in our place for another 20 - 30 years so I'm not really worried about resale value. We're building a place for us to live in.
08-18-2011, 12:38 PM
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I think West Seattle Gal might like Beech Ave and or Lincoln Ave. in Allegheny West. Both have none, if not very few, dilapidated buildings, and they are all beautifully restored. And in my opinion, they have a little bit of an edge on the Mexican War Streets- A lot of them have decent yards for the city, homes are larger, and I think the area in general is a little less "edgy" Not that the War Streets are dangerous, but I feel that Allegheny West, and these streets in particular, have less of a spill over. And I am pretty sure Beech avenue is very kid-friendly.
08-18-2011, 01:06 PM
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I think West Seattle Gal might like Beech Ave and or Lincoln Ave. in Allegheny West. Both have none, if not very few, dilapidated buildings, and they are all beautifully restored. And in my opinion, they have a little bit of an edge on the Mexican War Streets- A lot of them have decent yards for the city, homes are larger, and I think the area in general is a little less "edgy" Not that the War Streets are dangerous, but I feel that Allegheny West, and these streets in particular, have less of a spill over. And I am pretty sure Beech avenue is very kid-friendly.
I love, love, love that neighborhood! But I disagree with you about it feeling less edgy. Sure, the immediate streets have a less edgy feel, but the little neighborhood is right next to industrial area and Manchester. That's not something that I would mind but I think it would make the OP very uncomfortable. Plus, the yards are still small and the public school for that area isnt' very good. But I agree that those are beautiful streets.
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Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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