Do we need to make our schools safer in response to what happened in Connecticut? (closing, assess)

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Originally Posted by Goinback2011

The real danger out there are the mentally ill, raging lunatics like this 20 year old in Connecticut.

If he had a machete, he could easily have killed a couple dozen 6 year olds, just as he killed them with a gun.

I find it hard to believe there weren't people who knew he was gonna blow.

As an aside, has anyone noticed that there is almost no discussion of this kid's father? He's some big wig in a GE owned company, to the tune of earning $1M per year, but we don't hear much about him from the MSM.

No, he wouldn't have gotten that far with a machete. There is a huge difference in trying to tackle someone with a knife or machete in comparison with a gun. Someone can kill you from a football field away with a gun. Use some logic will you.

Ah, this thread will be closed because it turned in to the gun nut forum instead of discussing protection of our kids at school.

[Hopes]

Originally Posted by Goinback2011

As an aside, has anyone noticed that there is almost no discussion of this kid's father? He's some big wig in a GE owned company, to the tune of earning $1M per year, but we don't hear much about him from the MSM.

I just found this huge article about the father.

Sandy Hook shooting: Adam Lanza's father Peter and new wife Shelley Cudiner have fled Connecticut home | Mail Online

[Tirade]

If government can't successfully ban alcohol or drugs, then what makes you think they'll be anymore effective at banning guns?

[ML North]

Originally Posted by Tirade

If government can't successfully ban alcohol or drugs, then what makes you think they'll be anymore effective at banning guns?

Well it's pretty damn hard to get Everclear in Pennsylvania.

[UKyank]

Originally Posted by John Dark

No. The definition that the government used during the federal assault weapon ban years did not stipulate full auto mode. An assault weapon was merely any rifle or shotgun that had a detachable magazine and any two of several other criteria, including features such as having a pistol grip, folding stock or a threaded barrel.

However the weapons in question that were banned but not by default fully automatic were very easily converted as such, the current version of those same rifles are not easily so.

Regardless this nut used 2 small magazine pistols in his school rampage

[gg]

Originally Posted by Tirade

If government can't successfully ban alcohol or drugs, then what makes you think they'll be anymore effective at banning guns?

There is that banning guns thing again. Where does that come from? How do we go from educating and not allowing all types of guns to "banning guns"? Such an odd thing. Talk about trying to put blinders on.

[UKyank]

Real fixes to the situation in the future can include:

Much, much,much more effective funding of mental health (this should be #1, but politically it's the least talked about).

Absolutely no gun ownership permitted for anyone diagnosed with a mental disorder (someone smarter then me in that field can make a spectrum of what applies)
Absolutely no gun ownership for anyone with any criminal conviction whatsoever
Much tougher penalties anytime a crime is committed with a firearm

& gruesome as it is, when needing to show pics of the shooter, show his mangled corpse instead.

[Tirade]

Originally Posted by h_curtis

There is that banning guns thing again. Where does that come from? How do we go from educating and not allowing all types of guns to "banning guns"? Such an odd thing. Talk about trying to put blinders on.

If you're not allowed to access certain types of guns, then how is that not a ban on those guns?

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I think it would have been difficult to prevent this particular incident. As far as guns, I think there could be things done (read about what happened in Australia, for example), but I'm not certain that would have helped in this case given the guns used and the way they were acquired (they weren't his but instead his mother's so no amount of restrictions on him purchasing/owning guns would have really prevented him from getting them). As far as mental health, there may well have been issues but there is often denial and a desire to keep up appearances and similar issues surrounding having a child with such problems.

That said, that doesn't mean we shouldn't look at this incident as a reason to question what we do regarding guns and perhaps also regarding mental health assuming that is a factor here. We have a ridiculously, disgracefully high rate of mass killing incidents and gun murders in general compared to other modern countries which happen to have a bit more restrictions on guns generally. The availability of guns is probably not the ONLY factor, but it IS a factor. Quite probably those countries have better health care as well, and you might be able to throw in better education as a factor (maybe not this time but in some of these).

[John Dark]

Originally Posted by UKyank

Regardless this nut used 2 small magazine pistols in his school rampage

All the reports I have seen, quoting the medical examiner, stated that the rifle was the weapon that killed the victims, and the shooter only used one of the handguns on himself.

Not trying to make any kind of point here, other than to set the facts straight.