Pittsburgh suburban poverty rising (Penn Hills, Lincoln: house, to buy, college)

[Uptown kid]

In addition to PH, Verona, Sharpsburg, Etna, other outter areas which have gained section 8 that come to mind are Swissvale (coming from Garfield Heights), Turtle Creek, East Pittsburgh (coming from the Addison Terrace projects), West Mifflin, North Versailles, Monroeville (coming from Homewood/Zone 5), Pitcairn, Baldwin, Whitehall and even Homestead (coming from Hazelwood), McKeesport and Duquesne.

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Originally Posted by Uptown kid

In addition to PH, Verona, Sharpsburg, Etna, other outter areas which have gained section 8 that come to mind are Swissvale (coming from Garfield Heights), Turtle Creek, East Pittsburgh (coming from the Addison Terrace projects), West Mifflin, North Versailles, Monroeville (coming from Homewood/Zone 5), Pitcairn, Baldwin, Whitehall and even Homestead (coming from Hazelwood), McKeesport and Duquesne.

Thanks for filling in more of the blanks. I don't get down to the other side of the city that much these days. Duquesne has always been really bad though. I know we couldn't even play them in football except on a neutral football field and that was WAY back in the '80's. Yep, they started a huge fight when we beat the crap out of them. Sure was a wild day. Goes to show you things don't change that much. Over 30 years ago!

[Uptown kid]

Yet Duquesne and McKeesport are gaining African Americans/blacks at a notable rate despite a more notable population loss. This may also be true in McKees Rocks, Rankin, and Braddock Hills, though I'll have look at the numbers. One placed I missed was Mt. Oliver Boro! Since the St. Clair Village residents have moved in they have made the northern part & the part west of Hays/Margret Street close to 45% black. I know Turtle Creek, East McKeesport & West Mifflin have also grown in white section 8, but idk why.
Suburban section 8 that should be on your watch if your from X neighborhoods:
-Cambridge Square in Monroeville & Park Place/Help Park Apts in Turtle Creek will likely have gangs in the next two-five years.
-I'll have to check on the Penn Hills section 8 sites like Leechburg Gardens Estates, Oak Manor, Pinewood Estates, etc, in the North Versailles: Eastland/Versaillies Manor/Rolling Woods Estates/Parkledge/Cliffview Apts, as well as Prospect Park in South Park and the Residence of South Hills & Skytop Manor in the Baldwin-Whithall area. Though these areas can only logically get worse I'll go see visbly better or worse they've gotten & maybe start a thread about it.

[Clint.]

Originally Posted by Uptown kid

This could also be a result of housing projects being razed./? Though Rankin, McKees Rocks, Wilkinsburg, etc also add to the low numbers.

Yes, that is undoubtedly a huge factor. Those residents didn't cease to exist and they aren't renovating previously neglected east end mansions (but it is nice that many of the new residents are probably progressive and really do care about such things ).

They went (and are going) to where there is cheaper housing. As migration continues it changes the community culture and ethic and will discourage the more traditional working poor (who were always present in these towns to some extent but proportionally have been increasing during the last 25 years) from staying or moving there. Pleasant or not, it is the story of how neighborhoods around here, even if already known as "gritty" or whatever you want to call them, become associated with the 'un-working poor' and the bottom falls out to the point that they can't even manage to successfully operate a high school so it is shut down by the state and they start to invade neighboring school districts...

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As you can clearly see, the city has a massive poverty issue and always will. Government housing is killing the city and always will. It is what it is, but don't come on here and claim the suburbs are even close to the city in percentages, which is all that matters. The only reason they can claim more people in poverty are in suburbs is because way more people live in the suburbs. The MORON that wrote that article is a joke, but he probably got a promotion for his propaganda filled headline.

[eschaton]

Originally Posted by h_curtis

As you can clearly see, the city has a massive poverty issue and always will. Government housing is killing the city and always will. It is what it is, but don't come on here and claim the suburbs are even close to the city in percentages, which is all that matters. The only reason they can claim more people in poverty are in suburbs is because way more people live in the suburbs. The MORON that wrote that article is a joke, but he probably got a promotion for his propaganda filled headline.

As I've said numerous times, THE GOVERNMENT COUNTS STUDENTS AS BEING IN POVERTY! Central Oakland literally has a far higher poverty rate than places like Homewood or Beltzhoover.

Pittsburgh is somewhat weird for a major city in that there are no "college towns" of importance unless you get an hour drive or longer away from the urban core. And places like Indiana, Slippery Rock, Grove City, and California are so far out they barely count as being in Pittsburgh's orbit. So functionally speaking, we get nearly all of the college students, who yes, tend to be poor.

[The King of Um]

Originally Posted by zman63

Any thoughts on this? Maybe consolidation and merging municipalities and schools is not to far on the horizon.

Pittsburgh suburbs suffering poverty at high rate - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

I can believe suburban poverty is rising, because it's becoming so damned expensive to live in many city neighborhoods. This, of course, will only get worse, as Pittsburgh continues to become more popular, demand for apartments and houses continues to increase (while supply remains constant), neighborhoods unfortunately "gentrify" (as opposed to just improve), and everything under the sun becomes more and more expensive for everyone. But this is what the powers that be want. More people will be forced out of their apartments, and many people, particularly the elderly and working class families, will be forced out of their homes, places they may have lived all of their lives and that they own, due to the rising COL. Lovely, isn't it?

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Originally Posted by eschaton

As I've said numerous times, THE GOVERNMENT COUNTS STUDENTS AS BEING IN POVERTY! Central Oakland literally has a far higher poverty rate than places like Homewood or Beltzhoover.

Pittsburgh is somewhat weird for a major city in that there are no "college towns" of importance unless you get an hour drive or longer away from the urban core. And places like Indiana, Slippery Rock, Grove City, and California are so far out they barely count as being in Pittsburgh's orbit. So functionally speaking, we get nearly all of the college students, who yes, tend to be poor.

Not those who live in the dorms. Only the rich ones living off campus. Anyway, it doesn't matter that much. The amount of poverty as a percentage in the city is WAY higher than most all suburbs, except you hand selected few. Even Penn Hills has a way lower poverty rate. Lets face it, there is a ton of poverty in the city. You can claim students all you like, but those percentages are way too high to compensate.

[Q-tip motha]

Originally Posted by PreservationPioneer

Yeah, but that is assuming people live where they work. Don't most people commute to work? Does McCandless have an industry?

"Smug"

[Q-tip motha]

Originally Posted by Hip Priest

I can believe suburban poverty is rising, because it's becoming so damned expensive to live in many city neighborhoods. This, of course, will only get worse, as Pittsburgh continues to become more popular, demand for apartments and houses continues to increase (while supply remains constant), neighborhoods unfortunately "gentrify" (as opposed to just improve), and everything under the sun becomes more and more expensive for everyone. But this is what the powers that be want. More people will be forced out of their apartments, and many people, particularly the elderly and working class families, will be forced out of their homes, places they may have lived all of their lives and that they own, due to the rising COL. Lovely, isn't it?

Some. Not many.