V-22s just flying over (live, assess, about)

[Copanut]

Originally Posted by LIRefugee

It's the office, not the person. This sort of preparation would happen for any President these days.

Originally Posted by rockthecasbah121

Obama wasn't even on any of those planes today. It sounds like it's a standard procedure that presidential security does.

[ny789987]

Originally Posted by rockthecasbah121

Obama wasn't even on any of those planes today. It sounds like it's a standard procedure that presidential security does.

Actually, not. The person who was responsible for the ill advised nyc flyover was Louis E. Caldera, PR director of the White House Military Office. He was an Obama appointee who served in the Clinton administration. As messed up as Bush was, I doubt his administration would have approved such a thing being that they had to deal with the aftermath of 9/11 firsthand.

[okaydorothy]

Heard them also at my building. Its ok.

[greg42]

Originally Posted by ny789987

Because many of the office workers hearing a roaring 747 flying LOW unannounced over their office buildings personally witnessed innocents leaping to their deaths on 9/11 and some of them even knew people who perished. As for myself, anytime I hear a loud overhead roar in an urban setting it brings me right back to that day.

The price of living in the center of the universe, I guess. I don't believe policies should be changed because people are afraid. It makes for bad policy that does nothing useful, like the TSA. It saddens me to hear that people remain so frightened because it means the attack to some degree had the desired effect. I guess it's not reasonable to think everyone can get over such fears, but I do think as a country and even as a city it's well beyond time to get on with life.

I'll lay off though because one, I know I wasn't there at the time and two it has really nothing to do with Pittsburgh.

[macharoni]

Pittsburgh Under Attack1 - YouTube

[ebyrnes]

I lived in some sketchy 'hoods in Philly, and the "ghetto bird" over the house usually meant that they were searching for a criminal. The sight and sound of the 'copters this morning was unnerving; I am not a fan of big noise, nor overt shows of strength. In my case, it isn't a matter of the terrorists having won, since I've been this goofy way my whole life.

[ditchdigger]

I lived in some sketchy 'hoods in Philly, and the "ghetto bird" over the house
usually meant that they were searching for a criminal. The sight and sound of
the 'copters this morning was unnerving; I am not a fan of big noise, nor overt
shows of strength. In my case, it isn't a matter of the terrorists having won,
since I've been this goofy way my whole life.

Well, Philly has the distinction of having been bombed by its own police department' helicopter...

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[Pghuser]

How does anyone get terrified about stuff like this?

[Q-tip motha]

Originally Posted by greg42

Why does everyone in NYC have to run screaming thinking there's another 9/11? That is the bigger question if this was indeed a problem. I believe the intervening years have proven there is not terrorism around every corner. If you are terrified every time you see a plane flying low, then the terrorists have won. That is in fact the point of terrorism. The way we win is to not be terrorized, to not give up our essential liberty for temporary security (to apparently paraphrase Franklin).

/rant

Actually the 'point' of terrorism is for groups who have been marginalized or ignored to draw notice to their cause, which itself originates from being terrorized.

What you're repeating sounds like Bush era rhetoric. There might be some truth to it, but at best its an incomplete definition. It would be like suggesting that Islamic militants from Chechnya, Dagestan, Ingushetia, or any other Caucasian group that the Russians have a history of stepping on are trying to cause Russians (particularly at the Olympics) to live in a state of fear. While true its only part of why they do what they do, and non of it is without an extreme amount of provocation. Terrorism is created by terrorism.

[greg42]

Originally Posted by Q-tip motha

Actually the 'point' of terrorism is for groups who have been marginalized or ignored to draw notice to their cause, which itself originates from being terrorized.

That is mostly true. I probably should not have included that sort of flip sentence, even though my key point is about our reactions in our daily lives. I don't really want to belabor it more than that though.