Peduto proposes tax increase (Pittsburgh: sale, refinancing, costs)

[Lobick]

Originally Posted by Aqua Teen Carl

Please show me any evidence that this will occur.

Yeah SCR...show us demonstrable current evidence of the probably future benefits of a theoretical tax increase contained within the recent budget proposal!!! You can't...can you. See, it will all be wasted!!!

(...Also conveniently ignore the fact that the shouts of waste, fraud and abuse within the City government, while repeated several times within the thread, are without actual substantiation. But keep repeating it and it becomes so.)

[Aqua Teen Carl]

Originally Posted by SteelCityRising

This reminds me a lot of Scranton, a city in dire financial straits where citizens kept screaming to "CUT THE WASTE!!!" Sometimes there's not much waste, if any, to cut before you start slicing into the bone, folks.

I don't know anything about Scranton, we're talking about Pittsburgh.

Ya know, the city that convicted their police chief of taking taxpayer money in 2014.

[Moby Hick]

Originally Posted by Aqua Teen Carl

Ya know, the city that convicted their police chief of taking taxpayer money in 2014.

Yes. And as part of that scandal, the incumbent mayor declined to run for office leading to a completely new mayor who was actively opposed by much of the existing power structure. It was in the papers.

[Lobick]

Originally Posted by Aqua Teen Carl

I don't know anything about Scranton, we're talking about Pittsburgh.

Ya know, the city that convicted their police chief of taking taxpayer money in 2014.

So, just to be clear, the best "evidence" that you can cite for waste, fraud and abuse in City government is the ex-police chief stealing $32k. Might I remind you, the City budget is over $500 million. Harper stole $32k, over several years, was discovered, prosecuted, and ordered to pay that amount back in restitution.

If that's the worst you've got, Pittsburgh is the best run municipal government in the world.

[Aqua Teen Carl]

Originally Posted by Lobick

So, just to be clear, the best "evidence" that you can cite for waste, fraud and abuse in City government is the ex-police chief stealing $32k. Might I remind you, the City budget is over $500 million. Harper stole $32k, over several years, was discovered, prosecuted, and ordered to pay that amount back in restitution.

If that's the worst you've got, Pittsburgh is the best run municipal government in the world.

Wait, so you said I had no evidence and then when I take a heaping amount of evidence you automatically dismiss it.

The "la la la I can't hear you" argument. Nice.

[doo dah]

Originally Posted by Aqua Teen Carl

Wait, so you said I had no evidence and then when I take a heaping amount of evidence you automatically dismiss it.

The "la la la I can't hear you" argument. Nice.

"I have an example of one instance that I will repeat every time as proof, nyah nyah nyah"

[Lobick]

Originally Posted by Aqua Teen Carl

Wait, so you said I had no evidence and then when I take a heaping amount of evidence you automatically dismiss it.

The "la la la I can't hear you" argument. Nice.

"heaping"....really?

$32k of $500 million ain't much of a heap. That's why I dismissed it. It's literally a nickel on an $800 tax increase ($200k assessed value). A nickel that was paid back might I add.

[RyanR]

Originally Posted by Lobick

(...Also conveniently ignore the fact that the shouts of waste, fraud and abuse within the City government, while repeated several times within the thread, are without actual substantiation. But keep repeating it and it becomes so.)

If there is no waste, fraud and abuse, why does the City Controller have a hotline for reporting such things?

Welcome to Open Book Pittsburgh

The City Controller does not appear to report it so it may be hard to substantiate.

[Lobick]

Originally Posted by RyanR

If there is no waste, fraud and abuse, why does the City Controller have a hotline for reporting such things?

Welcome to Open Book Pittsburgh

The City Controller does not appear to report it so it may be hard to substantiate.

To placate citizens with your particular viewpoint?

BTW, it's a bit of a strawman to argue that I claimed there was absolutely no waste, fraud and abuse in government. Rather it's reflexively exaggerated by some to oppose any taxation.

[Aqua Teen Carl]

Originally Posted by doo dah

"I have an example of one instance that I will repeat every time as proof, nyah nyah nyah"

It's as if myself and others didn't post anything in this thread previously.