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Old 11-22-2021, 06:13 AM
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Old 11-22-2021, 06:21 AM
 
Location: Etna, PA
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You are giving the reasons for PA, corporate taxes, labor unions, regulation. How is that different than New York State? GM still operates three plants up there. Two in Buffalo and one in Rochester. What about Michigan and the City of Detroit? Stellantis (Chrysler)and GM gutted and completely redid two plants there in the city limits. Or what about Lordstown? Isn’t that a big union area that is regulated? Ohio probably has less corporate taxes, but the places I mentioned are heavy union and just as regulated as PA. There Ford and Chrysler still have assembly plants around Chicago as well.
GM has the Saint Catharine's Engine Plant 30 minutes up the road from Buffalo. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genera...ing_Facilities

As for Detroit, look across the border to Windsor: "More than 90 auto and parts manufacturers, including two OEMs – Fiat Chrysler Automobiles and Ford Motor Company of Canada – are located in Windsor-Essex." https://perspective.ca/canadas-autom...windsor-essex/
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Old 11-22-2021, 07:11 AM
 
Location: In Transition
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GM has the Saint Catharine's Engine Plant 30 minutes up the road from Buffalo. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genera...ing_Facilities

As for Detroit, look across the border to Windsor: "More than 90 auto and parts manufacturers, including two OEMs – Fiat Chrysler Automobiles and Ford Motor Company of Canada – are located in Windsor-Essex." https://perspective.ca/canadas-autom...windsor-essex/
And GM has an Engine plant in Buffalo.

But again I don’t see how Pittsburgh was left out and never really had more automotive related manufacturing facilities. Actually the Westmoreland Assembly plant was in a great location. Good access to I-70 and I-80. That links directly with I-75 going west.

One would think at least a components or powertrain plant would be/ remain in the area. Or maybe the poster is right. Erie would probably be the best location for one of those facilities. Automotive just didn’t invest in PA as they did in other nearby states.
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Old 11-22-2021, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania/Maine
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Great informative comments. Thanks.

Kind of related, which Pittsburgh billionaire?? (Scaife?) purchased the longtime nightclub performance venue on Baum and Bigelow just to house his cars? Is it still used for that purpose? Completely forget that story.. (lazy and don't feel like research it...) -- this was in in the late 1990s?
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Old 11-22-2021, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Western PA
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And GM has an Engine plant in Buffalo.

But again I don’t see how Pittsburgh was left out and never really had more automotive related manufacturing facilities. Actually the Westmoreland Assembly plant was in a great location. Good access to I-70 and I-80. That links directly with I-75 going west.

One would think at least a components or powertrain plant would be/ remain in the area. Or maybe the poster is right. Erie would probably be the best location for one of those facilities. Automotive just didn’t invest in PA as they did in other nearby states.

if you are wholesale manufacturing autos or major components of such (read frames, powertrains, drivelines) its not so much highway access you want, its rail access. Fisher body by west mifflin shipped them out dozens of 80ft flatcars a day...


pittsburgh, correspondingly never had quick easy access to all the required resources. It took all of pittsburghs available level real estate to process the raw materials into steel and with the rail service and water services, it was prime to barge in coal, rail in ore, and ship out strength steel (bridge buildings etc) stamping plants and small casting plants were never our forte. it could have been different sure, but at the time it was built we needed to make structural steel and rails so we did. we even made boilerplate for locos and such, but it was shipped east to altoona and so forth.


if you wanna see how things shook out in the automotive world which evolved for all intents and purposes 100 years after the structural steel world, look at some name sake towns: Lima, Windsor, cleveland and Tonawanda etc



why did they cast and drill engines THERE (hint: any water nearby?)
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Old 11-22-2021, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh/Anchorage
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You are giving the reasons for PA, corporate taxes, labor unions, regulation. How is that different than New York State? GM still operates three plants up there. Two in Buffalo and one in Rochester. What about Michigan and the City of Detroit? Stellantis (Chrysler)and GM gutted and completely redid two plants there in the city limits. Or what about Lordstown? Isn’t that a big union area that is regulated? Ohio probably has less corporate taxes, but the places I mentioned are heavy union and just as regulated as PA. There Ford and Chrysler still have assembly plants around Chicago as well.
That's like saying Pittsburgh is a steel mecca because the area still has a couple steel plants remaining.

How many major auto plants did NY and MI have 50 years ago compared to today? Same question for AL and SC.
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Old 11-22-2021, 04:43 PM
 
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That's like saying Pittsburgh is a steel mecca because the area still has a couple steel plants remaining.

How many major auto plants did NY and MI have 50 years ago compared to today? Same question for AL and SC.
Good question I don’t know. But there is a lot still in MI and three in upstate NY. They have been investing a lot of money into those old legacy plants. So much for the unions and costs.

Alabama has five plants. None of which are US based companies. And SC has one plant.

Again I think with CMU here tech and mobility go hand in hand. I’d love to see them try for a faculty in the future
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Old 01-11-2022, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh/Anchorage
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To add to this topic, Pittsburgh based Argo AI, in partnership with Ford, has announced a major new autonomous vehicle facility..... in Dallas or CA.

Also:

"Electric vehicle company Rivian Automotive Inc., after eyeing Fort Worth, last month selected Georgia for a massive manufacturing site. It is set to invest $5 billion in a campus in the southern state for its electric adventure vehicles, Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp announced in a statement last month. It will create approximately 7,500 jobs."

https://www.bizjournals.com/pittsbur...es-dallas.html


This confirms my earlier comments that while Pittsburgh has been a place for some R&D or even headquarters, it is not a prime candidate for major manufacturing of the products. IMHO the region needs to land some of these major manufacturing facilities employing thousands in order to really advance economically.
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Old 01-11-2022, 10:30 AM
 
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To add to this topic, Pittsburgh based Argo AI, in partnership with Ford, has announced a major new autonomous vehicle facility..... in Dallas or CA.

Also:

"Electric vehicle company Rivian Automotive Inc., after eyeing Fort Worth, last month selected Georgia for a massive manufacturing site. It is set to invest $5 billion in a campus in the southern state for its electric adventure vehicles, Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp announced in a statement last month. It will create approximately 7,500 jobs."

https://www.bizjournals.com/pittsbur...es-dallas.html


This confirms my earlier comments that while Pittsburgh has been a place for some R&D or even headquarters, it is not a prime candidate for major manufacturing of the products. IMHO the region needs to land some of these major manufacturing facilities employing thousands in order to really advance economically.
I couldn’t agree more. Economic diversity is still very much needed in western pa. It leads to suppliers setting up shop nearby and more business expanding. A lot of these plants hire a variety of people with various educational and skill sets providing good pay.
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Old 01-11-2022, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Western PA
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To add to this topic, Pittsburgh based Argo AI, in partnership with Ford, has announced a major new autonomous vehicle facility..... in Dallas or CA.

Also:

"Electric vehicle company Rivian Automotive Inc., after eyeing Fort Worth, last month selected Georgia for a massive manufacturing site. It is set to invest $5 billion in a campus in the southern state for its electric adventure vehicles, Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp announced in a statement last month. It will create approximately 7,500 jobs."

https://www.bizjournals.com/pittsbur...es-dallas.html


This confirms my earlier comments that while Pittsburgh has been a place for some R&D or even headquarters, it is not a prime candidate for major manufacturing of the products. IMHO the region needs to land some of these major manufacturing facilities employing thousands in order to really advance economically.

It still goes back to what I said earlier..."pittsburgh" has almost no flat land, a requirement to build anything of any size. all the flat land was in the flood plain and because it was on waterways, was used for ore processing into materials. look at the real estate requirements for ANY plant...you are only getting that in pittsburgh if you raze downtown, and even still, its all flowing downhill.


you could argue that since the mills are gone (anyone ever run up the mon from the point to braddock locks?) all that land could become manu plants, cept all the developers are turning it into condos and shopping which brings in more money and less EPA complaints
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