Pittsburgh MSA municipal population data (2020) (Philadelphia, Allentown: low income, public schools, wages)

[Jbraybarten65]

Originally Posted by erieguy

Lol. By that definition the numbers are toxic.

Yeah, most would agree that when 2/3 of the counties in the country having more deaths than births is not good.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by Jbraybarten65

Yeah, most would agree that when 2/3 of the counties in the country having more deaths than births is not good.

Numbers can be helped. Realize why people are leaving and not coming and fix the issues. Look at where folks are going and why they’re going, and make one’s own area/s more greener so folks don’t go elsewhere.

[Jbraybarten65]

Originally Posted by erieguy

Numbers can be helped. Realize why people are leaving and not coming and fix the issues. Look at where folks are going and why they’re going, and make one’s own area/s more greener so folks don’t go elsewhere.

The Census noted the surge in natural decline. I'm referring to it, which has been a serious issue for the region for decades, but more recently is impacting a lot of the country - but you gotta be your toxic self.
I get it. Gotta get in those talking points. It's not liked you haven't inserted them and your other in almost every thread in the Pittsburgh forum. Congrats.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by Jbraybarten65

The Census noted the surge in natural decline. I'm referring to it, which has been a serious issue for the region for decades, but more recently is impacting a lot of the country - but you gotta be your toxic self.
I get it. Gotta get in those talking points. It's not liked you haven't inserted them and your other in almost every thread in the Pittsburgh forum. Congrats.

What you’re forgetting is that Pittsburgh and the area gained population in the last census. Just because an area goes through natural decline doesn’t mean it can’t do things to keep folks and get them to move to an area to make up for it. What you consider toxic is simply reality. Look at areas where folks are staying and/or moving to, and emulate them. Inserting fixes and facts isn’t being toxic, it’s reality and solutions.

[Jbraybarten65]

Originally Posted by erieguy

What you’re forgetting is that Pittsburgh and the area gained population in the last census. Just because an area goes through natural decline doesn’t mean it can’t do things to keep folks and get them to move to an area to make up for it. What you consider toxic is simply reality. Look at areas where folks are staying and/or moving to, and emulate them. Inserting fixes and facts isn’t being toxic, it’s reality and solutions.

Wrong. I didn't forget anything. It's simply not what I'm referring to. You are deflecting to it, like you always do. You have a script. You are toxic. Look at this forum because of you.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by Jbraybarten65

Wrong. I didn't forget anything. It's simply not what I'm referring to. You are deflecting to it, like you always do. You have a script. You are toxic. Look at this forum because of you.

Nothing toxic about recognizing a problem and finding ways to fix it. If it gets ignored it will only get worse. Pittsburgh and areas can get it’s numbers back up. Just have to make it more desirable to folks wants and needs.

[Craziaskowboi]

Honestly, at this point, the annual estimates mean nothing to me. The population of the city of Pittsburgh was estimated to have fallen below 300,000 in 2007; it stayed above 300,000 in both the 2010 and 2020 Censuses. The population of the Pittsburgh MSA was estimated to have declined every year from 2013-2019; it grew in the 2020 Census. Estimates are unofficial; decennial Census counts are official.

[Jbraybarten65]

Originally Posted by Craziaskowboi

Honestly, at this point, the annual estimates mean nothing to me. The population of the city of Pittsburgh was estimated to have fallen below 300,000 in 2007; it stayed above 300,000 in both the 2010 and 2020 Censuses. The population of the Pittsburgh MSA was estimated to have declined every year from 2013-2019; it grew in the 2020 Census. Estimates are unofficial; decennial Census counts are official.

Exactly.

[Independentthinking83]

Originally Posted by Craziaskowboi

Honestly, at this point, the annual estimates mean nothing to me. The population of the city of Pittsburgh was estimated to have fallen below 300,000 in 2007; it stayed above 300,000 in both the 2010 and 2020 Censuses. The population of the Pittsburgh MSA was estimated to have declined every year from 2013-2019; it grew in the 2020 Census. Estimates are unofficial; decennial Census counts are official.

Where did it say that? From my recollection the census estimates year after year during the 2010s was very favorable. I didn’t believe them and they weren’t too far off when the official 2020 census was released. I was wrong not believing them because it was 80 years since our region had a positive census.


So what makes these estimate numbers for 2021 incorrect? The pandemic has really hurt pittsburgh along with other cities. The local economy was fragile here to begin with. One recession or economic earthquake event was gonna push us back to the negative. We depend on the schools and immigrants to prop up our population. That’s been nil the last two years.

[runpens1]

Originally Posted by Independentthinking83

Where did it say that? From my recollection the census estimates year after year during the 2010s was very favorable. I didn’t believe them and they weren’t too far off when the official 2020 census was released. I was wrong not believing them because it was 80 years since our region had a positive census.


So what makes these estimate numbers for 2021 incorrect? The pandemic has really hurt pittsburgh along with other cities. The local economy was fragile here to begin with. One recession or economic earthquake event was gonna push us back to the negative. We depend on the schools and immigrants to prop up our population. That’s been nil the last two years.

Yeah true, when the 2020 Census numbers wer taken, we were only 3 weeks into the pandemic. I exepct the city to likely drop more this decade due to it as with most urban areas across the country.