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Old 06-30-2010, 10:48 AM
 
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Well I do think the Nation Of Islam puts way too much focus on reparations that Blacks will never get but at the same time the NOI does have a history of emphasizing Black economic self help and less dependency on gov't aid but it's usually been in the context of building a seperate Black nation.
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Old 06-30-2010, 10:52 AM
 
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This data was taken from 2007



Here is the story behind it.

I think in the UK that most of the black violence comes from Jamaicans....as opposed to West Africans. It appears to me that black descendants of slaves in the West have much higher rates of violence than African born blacks.
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Old 06-30-2010, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Southern Willamette Valley, Oregon
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The Associated Press: Farrakhan charges Jews with 'anti-black' behavior

Nation of Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan has written the leaders of more than a dozen major U.S. Jewish groups and denominations seeking "repair of my people from the damage" he claims Jews have caused blacks for centuries.
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"This is an offer asking you and the gentiles whom you influence to help me in the repair of my people from the damage that has been done by your ancestors to mine," he writes. "Your present reality is sitting on top of the world in power, with riches and influences, while the masses of my people ... are in the worst condition of any member of the human family."
This is a shocker! When has any figure related to Islam not blamed the Jews for all their problems? And this is coming from the mouth of a man who has stated that he believes that Hitler was "wickedly great". Does anyone other than militant blacks take this guy seriously?

We can lump him into the same catagory as those such as the Reverend Jeremiah Wright. What kind of people would listen to those types of speakers?
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Old 06-30-2010, 01:10 PM
 
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This data was taken from 2007



Here is the story behind it.

I think in the UK that most of the black violence comes from Jamaicans....as opposed to West Africans. It appears to me that black descendants of slaves in the West have much higher rates of violence than African born blacks.
That table doesn't really say much since we don't know how many people from those countries live there.
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Old 06-30-2010, 02:19 PM
 
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That table doesn't really say much since we don't know how many people from those countries live there.
Thats a solid point. Here is an article on Polish Immigrants to the UK....that gives an insight to their numbers. From the article I would say that there are less Polish than JA...but the Polish commit more crimes. It seems like whites from Eastern Europe have a higher propensity for criminality.....hmmmmmm....maybe because they were oppressed under the communist regimes It seems like there is a link between the history of oppression....and rates of criminality. Oh...and the Irish are pretty high up on that list too....as they also have a history of being oppressed.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=2369 (broken link)
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Old 06-30-2010, 03:04 PM
 
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Thats a solid point. Here is an article on Polish Immigrants to the UK....that gives an insight to their numbers. From the article I would say that there are less Polish than JA...but the Polish commit more crimes. It seems like whites from Eastern Europe have a higher propensity for criminality.....hmmmmmm....maybe because they were oppressed under the communist regimes It seems like there is a link between the history of oppression....and rates of criminality. Oh...and the Irish are pretty high up on that list too....as they also have a history of being oppressed.

National Statistics Online - Polish people in the UK (http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=2369 - broken link)

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Old 06-30-2010, 03:26 PM
 
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"The Polish-born population in the whole of the UK is estimated to have risen to 497,000 in 2008"

Polish British - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to the 2001 UK Census 146,401 Jamaican-born people were living in the UK, making them the seventh-largest foreign-born group in the UK at the time.[10] The equivalent figure for 2008 has been estimated at 150,000 by the Office for National Statistics, making them the ninth-largest foreign-born group(that commits the second most crime).

British Jamaican - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now compare that to the crime rate.



The Poles outnumber the Jamaicans about 3.3 to 1. Which means Poles commit about 1 crime for every 2.5 crimes a Jamaican commits.

There are only about 45,000 Somali's in the UK, which means Somali's are almost twice as likely to commit crimes as even the Jamaicans. Which means Somali's are about 5 times more likely to commit a crime than the Polish in the UK. Which is roughly the gap between black and white crime in America.

Somali people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


So please, stop spouting nonsense you just made up on the spot.
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Old 06-30-2010, 04:13 PM
 
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"The Polish-born population in the whole of the UK is estimated to have risen to 497,000 in 2008"

According to the 2001 UK Census 146,401 Jamaican-born people were living in the UK, making them the seventh-largest foreign-born group in the UK at the time.[10] The equivalent figure for 2008 has been estimated at 150,000 by the Office for National Statistics, making them the ninth-largest foreign-born group(that commits the second most crime).

The Poles outnumber the Jamaicans about 3.3 to 1. Which means Poles commit about 1 crime for every 2.5 crimes a Jamaican commits.
Nope you've got that backward. A Pole commits 2.5 crimes for every 1 Jamaican.

And so what?
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Old 06-30-2010, 05:40 PM
 
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Clearly the common denominator in all these crime statistics is that they're perpetrated by men. That must be the problem then.
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Old 06-30-2010, 06:23 PM
 
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"The Polish-born population in the whole of the UK is estimated to have risen to 497,000 in 2008"

Polish British - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to the 2001 UK Census 146,401 Jamaican-born people were living in the UK, making them the seventh-largest foreign-born group in the UK at the time.[10] The equivalent figure for 2008 has been estimated at 150,000 by the Office for National Statistics, making them the ninth-largest foreign-born group(that commits the second most crime).

British Jamaican - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now compare that to the crime rate.



The Poles outnumber the Jamaicans about 3.3 to 1. Which means Poles commit about 1 crime for every 2.5 crimes a Jamaican commits.

There are only about 45,000 Somali's in the UK, which means Somali's are almost twice as likely to commit crimes as even the Jamaicans. Which means Somali's are about 5 times more likely to commit a crime than the Polish in the UK. Which is roughly the gap between black and white crime in America.

Somali people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


So please, stop spouting nonsense you just made up on the spot.
The flaw in your logic is that those crime stats in the table are FOR THE CITY OF LONDON....not the UK! Jamiacans are no doubt concentrated in London.....while the article noted that the Polish are distributed all throughout the UK.

Nope...try again
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