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Old 07-09-2010, 07:43 PM
 
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The Obamakins are very quick to blame Bush for all of the Obama administration's woes. However, the problem for Bush, as well as Obama, may be the democratic senate and congress.

A quick look at the economic numbers for Bush (despite the dot-com bubble and 9-11) were pretty good until the democrats gained control of the congress and the senate. Likewise, Obama has a democratic senate and congress, which may account for a good deal of his failures. Clinton only became the "economic genius" that the dems believe him to be when the democratic senate and congress was replaced with a republican senate and congress. Further, as one examines the the control of the house over the last 60 years, it has been essentially under control of the democrats for 80% of the time.


Given that the congress controls spending, perhaps Obama should blame the democratic senate and congress, rather than Bush. That may also give him an additional excuse he has not explored.


Economic policy of the George W. Bush administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 07-09-2010, 07:50 PM
 
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A quick look at the economic numbers for Bush (despite the dot-com bubble and 9-11) were pretty good until the democrats gained control of the congress and the senate.

A basic macro economics course teaches its students about different types of "lags". Your claim is that everything went to hell soon after they took control, which is virtually impossible. What we're dealing with now is the aftermath of 6 yrs of a GOP congress/GOP president spending like drunken sailors.

Similarly, much like the Iraq disaster none of you are man enough to own it. You break it you buy it!
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Old 07-09-2010, 07:54 PM
 
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A basic macro economics course teaches its students about different types of "lags". Your claim is that everything went to hell soon after they took control, which is virtually impossible. What we're dealing with now is the aftermath of 6 yrs of a GOP congress/GOP president spending like drunken sailors.

Similarly, much like the Iraq disaster none of you are man enough to own it. You break it you buy it!

Everything DID GO TO HELL after the democrats took control. They took control in 2006. Everything went to hell in 2008.

The democrats were in control for two years and were in control of the economy and the spending. Blame the democratic congress.
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Old 07-09-2010, 07:59 PM
 
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Everything DID GO TO HELL after the democrats took control. They took control in 2006. Everything went to hell in 2008.

The democrats were in control for two years and were in control of the economy and the spending. Blame the democratic congress.
As I said in my first post, we are currently dealing with the 6 yrs of wasteful spending perpetrated by the GOP right NOW. It can take years to realize the outcome of government action. You're claim is bogus and willfully ignores fundamental economic principles.

Secondly to claim this is solely at the feet of any Congress is also disingenuous. Something you most surely understand and are ignoring so you can try to connect dots for the simpletons around here. Bush spent us into the poor house while cutting taxes, the majority of our problems trace back to the housing/wall street.

You're timing is off anyway, things started to go down the tubes in 06. The GOP couldn't admit anything was even wrong until the end of 08.
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Old 07-09-2010, 08:07 PM
 
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My preference is for Democrats, but I think the notion of blaming one party or the other for everything is ridiculous. It's short-sighted, and foolish.
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Old 07-09-2010, 11:37 PM
 
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As I said in my first post, we are currently dealing with the 6 yrs of wasteful spending perpetrated by the GOP right NOW. It can take years to realize the outcome of government action. You're claim is bogus and willfully ignores fundamental economic principles.

Secondly to claim this is solely at the feet of any Congress is also disingenuous. Something you most surely understand and are ignoring so you can try to connect dots for the simpletons around here. Bush spent us into the poor house while cutting taxes, the majority of our problems trace back to the housing/wall street.

You're timing is off anyway, things started to go down the tubes in 06. The GOP couldn't admit anything was even wrong until the end of 08.

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm.................................. ...

The democrats have been in control for four years. It is a little hard to blame the republicans at this point. Do you think that the dems need at least five years to take responsibility? How about ten?

The fact of the matter is that the democratic congress presided over this mess. They control spending and it is thier baby. Four years is enough time for any policy effects to occur. The dems completely blew it and created an economic mess that will take decades to unravel with precipitation of subprime mortgages to massive "bailouts" and "stimulus" that has only worsened the situaton.

Four years??!?! This is the mess of the democratic congress. They have a fool in chief in the White House. God help us.
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Old 07-09-2010, 11:47 PM
 
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The Obamakins are very quick to blame Bush for all of the Obama administration's woes. However, the problem for Bush, as well as Obama, may be the democratic senate and congress.

A quick look at the economic numbers for Bush (despite the dot-com bubble and 9-11) were pretty good until the democrats gained control of the congress and the senate. Likewise, Obama has a democratic senate and congress, which may account for a good deal of his failures. Clinton only became the "economic genius" that the dems believe him to be when the democratic senate and congress was replaced with a republican senate and congress. Further, as one examines the the control of the house over the last 60 years, it has been essentially under control of the democrats for 80% of the time.


Given that the congress controls spending, perhaps Obama should blame the democratic senate and congress, rather than Bush. That may also give him an additional excuse he has not explored.


Economic policy of the George W. Bush administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Congress was majority Republican during six of Bush's eight years. The Ds came in in the last two, when he was the lamest of ducks.

But are you saying that Bush vetoed every bill proposed by the D Congress and both houses overrode those vetoes? Because according to you he surely didnt sign a single bill they sent him.

"the economic numbers for Bush (despite the dot-com bubble and 9-11) were pretty good until the democrats gained control of the congress and the senate" -- what were the laws that Congress forced the poor man to pass in those years that created the economic crisis?
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Old 07-10-2010, 12:00 AM
 
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If the Democrats are to be blamed for anything in 07/08 its the fact leadership rolled over and gave Bush and the GOP pretty much everything they wanted on a platter.
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Old 07-10-2010, 03:08 AM
 
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The Obamakins are very quick to blame Bush for all of the Obama administration's woes. However, the problem for Bush, as well as Obama, may be the democratic senate and congress.

A quick look at the economic numbers for Bush (despite the dot-com bubble and 9-11) were pretty good until the democrats gained control of the congress and the senate. Likewise, Obama has a democratic senate and congress, which may account for a good deal of his failures. Clinton only became the "economic genius" that the dems believe him to be when the democratic senate and congress was replaced with a republican senate and congress. Further, as one examines the the control of the house over the last 60 years, it has been essentially under control of the democrats for 80% of the time.


Given that the congress controls spending, perhaps Obama should blame the democratic senate and congress, rather than Bush. That may also give him an additional excuse he has not explored.


Economic policy of the George W. Bush administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Is there one particular piece of legislation you have in mind that the Democrats ramrodded through that caused the economic collapse, or was it multiple small bills that they unilaterally passed that Bush somehow neglected to veto?

I always wondered how a one vote margin could change the course of a country. I'm glad to know you have the answer.

Please advise. I'm sure a lot of us want to know.
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Old 07-10-2010, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Houston, texas
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"The Democrats seem to be basically nicer people, but they have demonstrated time and time again that they have the management skills of celery. They're the kind of people who'd stop to help you change a flat, but would somehow manage to set your car on fire. I would be reluctant to entrust them with a Cuisnart, let alone the economy.The republicans, on the other hand, would know how to fix your tire, but they wouldn't bother to stop because they'd want to be on time for Ugly Pants Night at the country club".(Dave Berry}. Theres plenty of blame to go around. The U S economy is very complicated. Screwing it up takes a great deal of cooperation.
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