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I think police should how powers to prevent terrorism of other immenent harm to people. Who here would be opposed to constant surveillance of people IF and only if, the surveillance was directed at terrorism or other imminent harms to people? Meaning, that if you were being surveilled, but you were just a drug dealer, anything they get is inadmissible?
The situations they could use it against you would be for terrorism, if you were planning to murder someone, or you had someone tied up in your basement.
I think to get more support for such powers, the government must clearly make any evidence inadmissble for other crimes. I think less people would be in opposition. Only terrorists and kidnappers would have anything to fear.
Who here would be opposed to constant surveillance of people IF and only if, the surveillance was directed at terrorism or other imminent harms to people?
[quote=betamanlet;14980161]..... Who here would be opposed to constant surveillance of people IF and only if, the surveillance was directed at terrorism or other imminent harms to people? Meaning, that if you were being surveilled, but you were just a drug dealer, anything they get is inadmissible?.....
NO WAY! Of course I'd be opposed!
Isn't it bad enough that you are already being spied on in that corporations(phone companies) have copies of every phone call you make; every internet search you make unless you use precious few search engines that protect your privacy; every email you write especially if you have Hotmail or Yahoo or Gmail etc and also know what is in your refrigerator as most grocery stores won't let you buy anything unless you scan a courtesy card with your ID one it first ; every bank transaction you make is scruitinized by the federal government; now air travel requires that you essentially strip with the X-ray machines they now require you submit to while they search through your wallet to make sure YOU aren't a terrorist? The supposed anti-terrorist measures are getting extreme. Every innocent American that just wants to be left alone is now on an ever increasing basis being subject to harrassment by the government.
Additionally The Patriot Act already gives the President powers to define terrorist. Even though we supposedly have Freedom of Speech a right given to us by the Constitution, if the President decides that anything that slightly offends anyone or hurts anyone's feelings is a terrorist, he, according to the Patriot Act, can have you home illegally searched, your possessions seized and you can be detained with your rights to habeous corpus DENIED!
People should be starting threads about how to REPEAL the Patriot Act and get their freedoms and privacy restored -- not about how our government can further invade our privacy and deny us our Constitutional rights.
I'd be for it if I actually entrusted the government to do its job equitably, ethically, and morally. I don't.
This (idea) gives the government too much control/information over private citizens and that information could fall into the wrong hands at the government's ineptitude. They (govt) doesn't even know what one agency is doing in relation to another (FBI, DOD, CIA, DHS). Too much room for corruption.
Against it. Hate it. I'm a law abiding citizen and have nothing to hide. I hate being treated like a criminal by the cameras everywhere.
Heck, with Google Earth and Streetview one doesn't even have privacy of one's property anymore. To think the gov. isn't aren't already using this in "real time" would be naive, IMO.
The problem with surveillance though, is most often not it's intended use (though that can be bad enough), but the potential for misuse and corruption.
Whether it's inadmissible or not, is therefor not why many people, such as myself oppose it, if I'm a drug dealer I'm breaking the law, and evidence should be used against me, it's the infringement of the rights of the large majority of law abiding citizens that's the problem.
Against it. Hate it. I'm a law abiding citizen and have nothing to hide. I hate being treated like a criminal by the cameras everywhere.
Heck, with Google Earth and Streetview one doesn't even have privacy of one's property anymore. To think the gov. isn't aren't already using this in "real time" would be naive, IMO.
A bit off topic, but I'm under the impression that you can contact Google and have your home (pictures of it) removed from street view, I know for a fact this is true for several countries in Norway, as it was a prerequisite to allow them to take the pictures in the first place.
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