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Old 07-24-2010, 04:34 PM
 
Location: US
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This student came to the faculty attention by writing her beliefs in a class assignment, and voicing them to other students. If any Muslim students in the class had written about their beliefs or voiced them as well, I too would be interested to see if they were subjected to the same remediation plan because they are "squarely against gay relationships" as being not the plan devised by Allah.

The Muslim View Of Homosexuality

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You appear to be experiencing some symptoms of an irrational persecution complex.

Her classmates are problably mostly Christian and there is possibly some Muslims in her class as well.

Or are you saying that ALL Christians are irrational homobigots like this particular student?
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Old 07-24-2010, 04:38 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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The school and counsellors' position is that you can believe in your head, anything you want. Go for it. You can have your personal views of abortion, homosexuality, etc. But as a counsellor you cannot force those beliefs on others or be judgmental of them, especially when they are disturbed and confused individuals to begin with. This can be (as they stated to her), literally life or death for some of these patients. A counsellor is in a postiion of authority, like a priest or teacher. They have to be held to higher standards.

The girl got in trouble to begin with by spouting her beliefs in her papers and in communications with her classmates where she was pushing those beliefs on the others. Then when they tried to give her a chance at remediation, she told them straight out she could not act non- judgmentally with a troubled gay or lesbian client, or accept them as they were. They recommended she transfer to a Christian School to become a counsellor and she refused.

So now she is suing. Sounds like a loud mouthed troublemaker, start to finish.
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Old 07-24-2010, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Detroit suburbs
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They should just give this poor girl her degree and be done with it. Trust me - every time a school hands out degrees half of the student body and half of the faculty consider the other half to be wacked out of their mind nutjobs, and vice versa. These are the same schools who constantly preach about their desire for a wholly "diverse" student body and then go all PC or whatever if they actually get one.
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Old 07-24-2010, 05:08 PM
 
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If she does not want to play by the club's rules, then she does not belong in the club.
Joining the club, in this case a professional association is one thing, being licensed is another, but graduating after satisfactorily completing the require course work is a whole other kettle of fish. Graduations should be based upon mastery of the subject matter, not whether or not you agree with it.
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Old 07-24-2010, 05:44 PM
 
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So now she is suing. Sounds like a loud mouthed troublemaker, start to finish.
Makes you wonder who'd want to hire a litigious counselor, doesn't it? The risk to any school would be enormous.
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Old 07-24-2010, 05:53 PM
 
Location: US
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You've exactly identified the problem. She made great grades. Because she espoused a view in a paper required in her class, and spoke to friends outside the class, she needed to be remediated in the eyes of the faculty.

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Graduations should be based upon mastery of the subject matter, not whether or not you agree with it.
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Old 07-24-2010, 05:58 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Is there a more complete picture of her? She might be hot.
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Old 07-24-2010, 07:04 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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Who is saying it is sham? There is behaviour modification and it does work for even the hardest problems.
Sorry, but everyone logical knows that's a bunch of baloney... and probably 99% of the "cured gays" eventually go back to being what they naturally are (homosexual). I've seen a few documentaries on it, and they always have "ex-gays" who say they're no longer ex.
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Old 07-24-2010, 07:11 PM
 
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The point is that the faculty and school don't know what she's going to do with her degree.

Will she counsel a GLBT person and impose her views on them or pass them along to someone who can help them? What's funny to me is that attending a gay pride parade was supposed to "help".

Given what this girl has already been willing to do for her "remediation", sounds like she values her degree and future job.
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Old 07-24-2010, 07:22 PM
 
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Makes you wonder who'd want to hire a litigious counselor, doesn't it? The risk to any school would be enormous.
That is so silly and so off point.
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