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Old 07-27-2010, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Arlington, VA
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Boston weighs smoke-free public housing - BostonHerald.com (http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1270512&format=comments#Comments Area - broken link)

Pros:

If people are poor and live in government housing, why are they spending money on smokes?

cons:

so much for the sanctity of the home, right?

won't the consequences fall heavily on racial minorities?
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Old 07-27-2010, 04:36 PM
 
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Why are they living in gov't housing but have money for cigarettes? Same reason I suppose they have money for lottery tickets, and alcohol and cell phones, and iphones and ipods, and fast food and shall I go on????
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Old 07-27-2010, 04:39 PM
 
Location: In the desert
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So when exactly will it be enough?

Shall we start making rules and laws to ban certain things only for certain groups of people and doesn't this scare anyone?
Who would make these rules? Politicians, Judges, The vote of the people?

I opt out.
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Old 07-27-2010, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Georgia, on the Florida line, right above Tallahassee
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Boston weighs smoke-free public housing - BostonHerald.com (http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1270512&format=comments#Comments Area - broken link)

Pros:

If people are poor and live in government housing, why are they spending money on smokes?

cons:

so much for the sanctity of the home, right?

won't the consequences fall heavily on racial minorities?

I had a feeling all racial minorities were smokers. Thanks for the confirmation. Why indeed? I dare say some of those people are fat. They could remove their fat and make candles from them, and sell fat candles on the street.

I'd buy a vanilla scented one.
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Old 07-27-2010, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Over There
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Yes! For two reasons. The smoke travels to apartments of those that do NOT smoke causing a health hazard for those people AND if you can afford over $7.00 a pack get the hell outta public housing.
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Old 07-27-2010, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Arlington, VA
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I had a feeling all racial minorities were smokers. Thanks for the confirmation. Why indeed? I dare say some of those people are fat. They could remove their fat and make candles from them, and sell fat candles on the street.

I'd buy a vanilla scented one.
huh?

Obviously there are smokers in public housing, as they wouldn't be suggesting this, right?
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Old 07-27-2010, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Arlington, VA
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Yes! For two reasons. The smoke travels to apartments of those that do NOT smoke causing a health hazard for those people AND if you can afford over $7.00 a pack get the hell outta public housing.
But they can still buy packs of cigarettes even if they cannot smoke it at home.
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Old 07-27-2010, 04:55 PM
 
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Boston weighs smoke-free public housing - BostonHerald.com (http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1270512&format=comments#Comments Area - broken link)

Pros:

If people are poor and live in government housing, why are they spending money on smokes?

cons:

so much for the sanctity of the home, right?

won't the consequences fall heavily on racial minorities?
More to think about--
-what's the track record for incidents of fire caused by cigarettes?
-How much property damage happens to the unit as result of smokes? (higher deposit required)
-How well is cigarette smoke contained in the unit or are they sharing central system that blows it around and mucks up vents & filters? (higher operating cost and depreciation of bldg)
-How many kids & elderly have risky breathing conditions (COPD asthma etc) that could exacerbate their situation if smoke doesn't mind it's boundaries, and will that oblige mgmt to be the smoke police? Liability should be on the smoker, not mgmt.
-This is a publicly controlled bldg designed for long term housing solution or short term? If short term using higher deposits as a tool will only keep them there longer and it's likely best just to ban the same way hotels do.

The sanctity of home changes definition a little when you don't have the deed, and a little more when tax payers do. Not a lawyer but these are common approaches.
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Old 07-27-2010, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Over There
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But they can still buy packs of cigarettes even if they cannot smoke it at home.

As I said there are TWO issues. First the health one and second the fact that if they can afford cigs get out of public housing.
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Old 07-27-2010, 05:11 PM
 
Location: In the desert
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Yes! For two reasons. The smoke travels to apartments of those that do NOT smoke causing a health hazard for those people AND if you can afford over $7.00 a pack get the hell outta public housing.
So does certain cleaning products and cooking smells, etc.

What scares me the most about people who want to control everything is the fact there are so very many of them.
Where the heck does it stop?
Shall we stop those who are overweight from eating foods that are bad for them?
Shall we create laws and give fines, imprisonment? Shall we cut off their hands?

Remember then, the more laws created the bigger government gets.
Stop the insanity of control.
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