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And all the girls from Eastern Europe, lured with promises of fabby careers as high-paid and pampered sex workers/strippers/hostesses, who end up on the auction block, stripped naked, and sold as sex slaves in the Middle East, to be beaten, abused, overworked, and to die, finally, all alone and unknown, from disease and abuse...well they may have been primed for the deceit of the traffickers by having seen Pretty Woman. In fact, that film is regularly cited as helping to create the unreal expectations these girls have been given.
I didn't realize that the film Pretty Woman was responsible for the international sex trafficking industry...Apparently it's shown a lot on television in Hungary and the Ukraine... Forget about the Russian Mafia, how can a Belarussian girl resist Richard Gere...
She's a good person, I wholeheartedly agree with you. But she's one of those 'career' girls you're claiming to hate. She's a mother of a child whose father she did not marry. She's a college girl. She's a veteran. Your reasons for hating a % of women in USA apply to a country girl as much as they would a city girl. So listen to yourself- you are indeed lying- to yourself.
Wrong, she had no choice of the society she was left with . I don't blame and never have te young people of today for the way things are . We should have guarded their future more . Some of my grown grandkids are ok, others are not . None are virgins and none are married .
Sleeping around or shacking up is not a good way to start out in life ,imo .
Now good s bad and bad is good . of course whoever lives like this will defend it .
She's a good person, I wholeheartedly agree with you. But she's one of those 'career' girls you're claiming to hate. She's a mother of a child whose father she did not marry. She's a college girl. She's a veteran. Your reasons for hating a % of women in USA apply to a country girl as much as they would a city girl. So listen to yourself- you are indeed lying- to yourself.
Why use the word ' hate ' ? It is used so much by libs that it has lost it's meaning.
I think people are attributing way too much power to the media in general. Media and media products tend to follow culture, not create it. "Gangsta rap," for example, didn't emerge until the mid-1980's, a time when American cities had some of the highest murder rates in the history of the developed world. Media followed culture.
Similarly, a show like SATC wasn't even on the air until 1998. I never watched it, but from what I recall, it mainly referenced trends that already existed among single women with money in places like Manhattan. It didn't somehow create that class of women.
The "women's movement" also had little role at all in "pushing" women into the workforce. That was done by pure economics. The postwar economy was simply different than the prewar economy. More and more economic productivity was coming from jobs that didn't involve rough manual labor, and it made economic sense for families to combine incomes in order to afford better housing, cars, and consumer goods.
To a large extent, women's rights activists were responding to tensions that arose out of this transition.
But if you want to blame someone (or something) for creating the transition in the first place, you'd probably have to go all the way back to the refining technology pioneered in the 1800's that allowed crude oil to be converted into portable barrels of energy in the form of gasoline, fuel oil, and so on.
That helped lead to everything from nationwide electrification to the rise of the automobile. It was a foundational technological labor-changer.
So unless the women's movement was doing petrochemical engineering back in the 1860's and 70's as part of a vast, long-term conspiracy...
Chicken and egg argument about who got the ball started, but we've all got to get to the point where we can acknowledge something is unhealthy or destructive and not promote it by emulating or sponsoring it by our patronage. My TV is officially OFF and has been for years now. I might turn it back on if reality shows actually get real, if the news would actually report the news, and if dramatic license wasn't used so heavily to promulgate stereotypes. The only point of watching is matching it up against the backdrop of common behavior in the streets. Young boys have their pants hanging down. Teen girls are hypersexualized and believing it's an identity.
I posit to you that civilizations relationship/ attitudes towards women have vacillated wildly all along. There is no 100% truthful 'good old days' for women in relation to the laws of any land throughout recorded history. If we could imagine the day when it all went horribly wrong for adam and eve, it might be the moment he looked at her as a potential beast of burden. No matter which culture, it's been the worldwide inability to properly value or understand women that's been the real root of problems for us. Being able to value our own selves is the turning point. It separates out the victims from the Eleanor Roosevelts, Mdme Curies, Jane Goodalls et al.
Good question. And this is a GREAT thread! Y'all remember to give the OP recommendation points for this!
Who is emulating? Well, whenever girls think they can go off to New York, and make a living as a "wordsmith" or a "publicist", and so get English degrees, instead of instantly marketable degrees, like Nursing or Dental Hygiene, then they could be basing such decisions on Sex and the City.
And all the girls from Eastern Europe, lured with promises of fabby careers as high-paid and pampered sex workers/strippers/hostesses, who end up on the auction block, stripped naked, and sold as sex slaves in the Middle East, to be beaten, abused, overworked, and to die, finally, all alone and unknown, from disease and abuse...well they may have been primed for the deceit of the traffickers by having seen Pretty Woman. In fact, that film is regularly cited as helping to create the unreal expectations these girls have been given.
Both S & T C and Pretty Woman tell girls that vague and ephemeral qualities, like being pretty, entertaining, and 'special'(and little girls are raised to believe they are these things) are going to be enough to attract men who will take care of them, and make all their problems go away. They grow up 'knowing' that if they fail, or fail to even really try to be self-sufficient, that they can 'always' find a man to live off of. They've been shown that fantasy over and over, and to them it's real...always just around the corner.... I wish them good luck with that. How many men like that do they think there are? Enough to go around, for even half the women who need to be taken care of? Enough for even ten percent?
Not very good odds, if you ask me. And they're even worse, when you consider that high-paid professionals tend, now, to marry other high-paid professionals, not little sad-sack poetesses. But these shows are telling girls that being somehow, miraculously, 'special' is what really matters'.
Men marry pro because they want the security they don't feel they can get on their own . These men are usually weaklings and not loyal, they will not marry for love but for profit like the gold diggers do .
When I was young it was an insult for a mans wife to have to work .
Those little " sad sack poetesses " raised the men who created the greatest nation on earth . it stayed that way until the feminist boot brigade came out and took over . Gotta hand it to them though, they tore down in less than 100 yr.s what it took men 200 to build .
What has a woman ever created or discovered beter than a child ? Men are the ones who gave us technology, industry and invention, not women .
Wrong, she had no choice of the society she was left with . I don't blame and never have te young people of today for the way things are . We should have guarded their future more . Some of my grown grandkids are ok, others are not . None are virgins and none are married .
Sleeping around or shacking up is not a good way to start out in life ,imo .
Now good s bad and bad is good . of course whoever lives like this will defend it .
She did have choices, and more of them to make in this day and age. My great great grandmother coming off a boat as a teen ager had a choice to work in sweat shop or be a prostitute. I'm glad she chose honest work. I'm proud she held onto her self respect in a country that didn't count her as a human being and denied her any choice beyond a rock or a hard place. She stuck to her guns and we're all the better for it.
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Why use the word ' hate ' ? It is used so much by libs that it has lost it's meaning.
Your own conduct below.
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The womens movement was made up by man haters and deviants of society . Like a gang of wicked witches in Oz who fooled all the Dorothy's into thinking the apples were better if you picked them yourself . Now they have to deal with the poison apples they chose .
Most of you didn't even live in the 60s . It was a time of new drugs, new epidemics of deasease and clinics opening up to try to control all the std's and overdosed youth .
Now these same freaks are in leadeship and ruining our nation .
My grandmothers didn't hate men or I wouldn't exist. They also refused to buy into hatred because they loved their families. If you're happy with your life, content you've raised your children right, shouldn't that be enough proof for anyone? Maybe there's something about Pappy (the man) that made him decide not to treat you like an animal? Maybe there's something about men these days that isn't offering the same respect? Maybe looking at marriage in terms of getting a free ride out of a man isn't very fair to men?
I think women are much better off today, and have more opportunity for happiness, than in the 1960's. However, both men and women face different issues today than they did 40-50 years ago. New issues bring new problems, things nobody had to deal with back then. It's hardly something you can compare apples-to-apples. Given the choice, I'd rather be ME today than ME in 1960.
She did have choices, and more of them to make in this day and age. My great great grandmother coming off a boat as a teen ager had a choice to work in sweat shop or be a prostitute. I'm glad she chose honest work. I'm proud she held onto her self respect in a country that didn't count her as a human being and denied her any choice beyond a rock or a hard place. She stuck to her guns and we're all the better for it.
Your own conduct below.
My grandmothers didn't hate men or I wouldn't exist. They also refused to buy into hatred because they loved their families. If you're happy with your life, content you've raised your children right, shouldn't that be enough proof for anyone? Maybe there's something about Pappy (the man) that made him decide not to treat you like an animal? Maybe there's something about men these days that isn't offering the same respect? Maybe looking at marriage in terms of getting a free ride out of a man isn't very fair to men?
If your grandmother just came off the boat what did she exspect a job in aviation ?
A man cannot treat a woman like a lady . Rrespect yourself and choose carfully who you lay with .
If your granny had come off the boat today she would be on welfare in a nation that is sinking into the abyss . A nation taken over by militant women and other abnormal people .
I think women are much better off today, and have more opportunity for happiness, than in the 1960's. However, both men and women face different issues today than they did 40-50 years ago. New issues bring new problems, things nobody had to deal with back then. It's hardly something you can compare apples-to-apples. Given the choice, I'd rather be ME today than ME in 1960.
Not me ! Once your've been to the mountain ........ as MLK who is probably turning over in his grave now would say .
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Maybe there's something about men these days that isn't offering the same respect? 
