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And no liberals approve of any of these either. Yet it is "received wisdom" in many of these threads that somehow, liberals are "supporters" of Islam and Shari'a.
I don't believe I ever said they did.
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So finally here we are both crystal clear that there is much of Islam and shari'a that is repugnant to western democratic traditions.... regardless of whether that tradition leans right or left.
Agree and never thought otherwise.
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Now... with that school of red herring and army of straw men out of the way, let's return to my comment.
It is simply a statement of unassailable fact that Islam is a conservative, right wing ideology, and shares far more in common with Christian social conservatism than any socially liberal tradition. It is excruciatingly anti-gay, anti-abortion, anti-feminist and with the exception of its intolerance of usury it is deeply pro-capitalist. They both aggressively promote "traditional family values," oppose the separation of church and state, support the prohibition of drugs, prostitution and extra-marital sex, and support censorship of pornography or other "indecent" material. Muslims unashamedly borrow, adapt and republish Christian creationist propaganda, share a nearly identical set of theological dogmas regarding salvation and eternal punishment/reward, and sharply distinguish between what they believe to be the divinely appointed roles of men and women.
To the limited extent that arguments against shari'a are not also arguments against Christian social conservatism, this is primarily because contemporary "social conservatives" have actually embraced positions that a few generations ago would have been considered unforgivably liberal. It is the success of liberalism in the west that makes shari'a as generally objectionable as it is.
Well we were on the same page. Just as there are different facets of Islam there are different facets of Christianity also. Some are extreme some are not.
I don't believe any said that US stands out as anything. This thread was about how US judge that made a screwed up ruling and how Sharia law should never be considered here. You are the one that made it about something else. Fact is that Sharia law and US law are NOTHING alike.
If someone is schizophrenic, and a judge is considering their state of mind, then you are saying that the judge shouldn't consider the schizophrenia.
If someone is Amish, and a judge is considering their propensity for violence, their religion should never be considered.
Right?
That's your argument, isn't it?
That things you don't want considered shouldn't be considered?
Other people on the thread did say so. Even the title implies it.
And I realize that you pointed out about NC in 1993 finally changing its laws. I simply tried to explain more clearly what I was trying to say in response to your question. I'm not pounding that point out TO YOU, I'm pounding that point out to people who post as if Sharia law is in the Stone Ages, and we are so superior. I think it's important that we recognize how recently we've progressed on this issue, and that we still need to make further progress. We don't have the right to be arrogant towards the rest of the world when it comes to marital rape laws.
You need to watch Bill Maher on YouTube talking about Muslims and how "yes we are better". The points he makes about our society and laws as compared to theirs is SPOT ON! Maybe it's not the pc thing to do, but who cares. We do have a better society and better laws overall. If you have never dealt with a rape victim and rape case like I have(both personally and professionally) you have no idea what you are talking about. Next to child molestation, rape is the WORST crime someone can commit against another(IMO)
You need to watch Bill Maher on YouTube talking about Muslims and how "yes we are better". The points he makes about our society and laws as compared to theirs is SPOT ON! Maybe it's not the pc thing to do, but who cares. We do have a better society and better laws overall. If you have never dealt with a rape victim and rape case like I have(both personally and professionally) you have no idea what you are talking about. Next to child molestation, rape is the WORST crime someone can commit against another(IMO)
Please don't presume you know me. You don't.
And please learn to read. I have not advocated Sharia law in any of my posts. I have not stated that Sharia laws are equal to US laws.
And I know quite a bit about rape and stalking. So when you display the kind of insensitivity you've displayed by this post, it raises questions about YOU.
What I have said is that the United States is not a model for the rest of the world in how to treat women. And that this judge was right in considering this man's moral compass when evaluating the potential threat to the man's wife. The Muslim faith provides moral guidelines, just as the Christian faith does. And those guidelines aren't all that different. The majority of rapes in this country are committed by husbands. And the majority of those men are Christian. The Christian faith also promulgated the idea that women were the property of their husbands. And many fundamental Christians still believe that to a certain degree.
And please learn to read. I have not advocated Sharia law in any of my posts. I have not stated that Sharia laws are equal to US laws.
And I know quite a bit about rape and stalking. So when you display the kind of insensitivity you've displayed by this post, it raises questions about YOU.
What I have said is that the United States is not a model for the rest of the world in how to treat women. And that this judge was right in considering this man's moral compass when evaluating the potential threat to the man's wife. The Muslim faith provides moral guidelines, just as the Christian faith does. And those guidelines aren't all that different. The majority of rapes in this country are committed by husbands. And the majority of those men are Christian. The Christian faith also promulgated the idea that women were the property of their husbands. And many fundamental Christians still believe that to a certain degree.
No insensitivity, just the truth, plain and simple. It's amazing how certain people like to always come back to Christanity when this concerns an aspect of Islamic law. Easy to do right? Do you have facts that these "husbands" as a whole were Christian, or just not Muslim? Just because you are not Muslim, doesn't make you a Christian. Who said that you were advocating Sharia law? If YOU read my post NO WHERE did I mention Sharia law, much less that you believed that.
No insensitivity, just the truth, plain and simple. It's amazing how certain people like to always come back to Christanity when this concerns an aspect of Islamic law. Easy to do right? Do you have facts that these "husbands" as a whole were Christian, or just not Muslim? Just because you are not Muslim, doesn't make you a Christian. Who said that you were advocating Sharia law? If YOU read my post NO WHERE did I mention Sharia law, much less that you believed that.
It doesn't come back to an aspect of Sharia law.
It comes back to American law. The idea that there are two parties in a suit, and that the IMPARTIAL judge is obligated to hear BOTH sides of the complaint.
This was not a criminal hearing. This was about a restraining order. When a judge is hearing a case about extending a restraining order, he listens to the reasons why the restraining order should be extended, why someone is still afraid of another person, and the judge listens to the reasons why the restraining order should be ended, why someone is not a danger to another person.
The judge is supposed to be impartial. He's not supposed to favor one side over another. That's AMERICAN law.
You are all arguing for discrimination. Because you feel one culture is superior to another. That's not what AMERICAN law is supposed to do.
Wow i can't believe there is a debate here. Everything about this story is wrong. Rape is bad no matter what. If you compare us christians to muslims your a complete idiot. The best comparison you can make is muslims to hasidic jews. Hasidic jews are a society full of woman's rights compared to sharia. They are not viewed as property,beaten,rape and killed. That goes for children under sharia as well. Conservatives might be anti-gay marriage but they don't want to kill them. We are much better than them. To compare them to conservatives is just plain childish. U.S. is a fine example of women's rights and we could be arrogant about it. They have full rights. Yea they may get payed less but thats not a low or rule that they have to get payed less. If a woman wanted she could start an all female company selling vibrator's to single mother's who drink. My point is American woman have rights. Muslim woman who live under these laws are the most oppressed people in the world. These woman fear there husbands. Issues like this really seperate the real liberals from the left wing loons. A real liberal is disgusted by this. Only a left wing loon can say Conservatives and christians are as bad to woman.
It comes back to American law. The idea that there are two parties in a suit, and that the IMPARTIAL judge is obligated to hear BOTH sides of the complaint.
This was not a criminal hearing. This was about a restraining order. When a judge is hearing a case about extending a restraining order, he listens to the reasons why the restraining order should be extended, why someone is still afraid of another person, and the judge listens to the reasons why the restraining order should be ended, why someone is not a danger to another person.
The judge is supposed to be impartial. He's not supposed to favor one side over another. That's AMERICAN law.
You are all arguing for discrimination. Because you feel one culture is superior to another. That's not what AMERICAN law is supposed to do.
I do think are culture is superior especially when it comes to treatment of woman and gays.
We are discriminating your are correct. We are discriminating against people who rape, beat and kill there wives and view them as property.
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