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Old 08-24-2010, 05:46 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Israel will not attack Iran because it would not be in their interest. Iran is effectively Israel's ally against the surrounding feudal Arab states that very much fear what Israel and Iran represent with their "democracy". These countries have much more in common than either has with a state like Saudi Arabia. Besides Iran is a useful foil against politicians in the US that realize we have been being played like a puppet by the Israeli Right Wing.

You maintain a "Jewish" state with a minority population by using intimidation, fear, force and economic discrimination just like any other colonial power. The European derived population of Israel is effectively a colony of the European, including Russian, Jewish culture. They have not adapted to their “new land” and are still trying to get their “new land” to adapt to them. Even Job didn’t have that much patience.
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Old 08-24-2010, 05:54 AM
 
Location: Near the water
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Iran is no ally for Israel in any shape, form or fashion.

imanutjob wants Israel wiped off of the map.
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Old 08-24-2010, 06:14 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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If they target us, it will be because of the realistic perception that we are Israeli stooges.
You know that not true. Islams goal is to wipe out all religions except for their own. Jews are on top of their list. Christians have already been nearly wiped out in the Middle East (except for Lebanon & Syria).

TUNDRA TABLOIDS.......: FIRST COMES SATURDAY THEN COMES SUNDAY: MUSLIM PERSECUTION OF JEWS AND CHRISTIANS.......

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Guide: Christians in the Middle East

Islam and antisemitism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 08-24-2010, 07:33 AM
 
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I don't agree that joining WW2 on the German side would've been any morally or strategically worse than joining it on the Soviet side. (There was really no good reason to join either one.)
This says it all. It perfectly sums up your attitude toward America's interests and responsibilities, both strategic and moral, in the world. Which is that there are none, nothing.

If you had been around 70 years ago, and you had had your way, the Nazis would have won WWll. We can only imagine the horrific cosequences of your policy.

Thankfully there are very few like you. You are an extremist. And all of your views on this forum, including your incessant attacks on Israel, reflect your extreme ideology.
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Old 08-24-2010, 08:09 AM
 
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Israel DOES NOT have the 2nd largest air force in the World. Maybe the 2nd best trained (perhaps best) but not the 2nd largest.
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Old 08-24-2010, 08:11 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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This says it all. It perfectly sums up your attitude toward America's interests and responsibilities, both strategic and moral, in the world. Which is that there are none, nothing.

So you believe allying ourselves with a mass murderer every bit as responsible for millions of needless deaths as Hitler is just morally fine, eh? It may have been necessary but doesn't mean anyone who recognizes America's willingness to jump into bed with scum when it suits our agenda is somehow anti-American.

It seems the NeoConfused moral compass consists soley of knee-jerk 'America hater' BS whenever someone says something they don't agree with.
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Old 08-24-2010, 08:40 AM
 
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Israel DOES NOT have the 2nd largest air force in the World. Maybe the 2nd best trained (perhaps best) but not the 2nd largest.
You're right. In fact Israel has the 17th largest air force. Interestingly, Syria and Libya have larger air forces, although the quality in general of the aircraft may not be as good.
World Air Forces
The quality of the pilots is hard to compare, but from performance in combat an argument can certainly be made that Israel may have the best trained.

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So you believe allying ourselves with a mass murderer every bit as responsible for millions of needless deaths as Hitler is just morally fine, eh? It may have been necessary but doesn't mean anyone who recognizes America's willingness to jump into bed with scum when it suits our agenda is somehow anti-American.

It seems the NeoConfused moral compass consists soley of knee-jerk 'America hater' BS whenever someone says something they don't agree with.
I think the great majority of people would agree that keeping out of WWll would have led to disaster. And equating the actions of Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union in WWll is ridiculous. Read "The Third Reich at War" by Richard Evans.
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Old 08-24-2010, 08:52 AM
 
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Mr. Achoo, is very arrogant isn't he!
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Old 08-24-2010, 08:55 AM
 
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I think the great majority of people would agree that keeping out of WWll would have led to disaster. And equating the actions of Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union in WWll is ridiculous. Read "The Third Reich at War" by Richard Evans.
I never equated the actions of the Soviet Union with those of of Nazi Germany, I will however equate the actions of Stalin with those of Hitler. Stalin was a mass murderer, over 7,000,000 Ukrainians deliberately starved to death proves that.
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Old 08-24-2010, 09:14 AM
 
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I never equated the actions of the Soviet Union with those of of Nazi Germany, I will however equate the actions of Stalin with those of Hitler. Stalin was a mass murderer, over 7,000,000 Ukrainians deliberately starved to death proves that.
The poster to whom I responded (in post #34) stated that the US should not have intervened in WWll. My point was that isolationists of both the far left and far right do not believe that America has any moral or strategic interests in the world worth defending, and that that policy would have led to a Nazi victory, which would have been disastrous.

You somehow are attempting to turn it into something else, which is an entirely different topic. And even though I totally disagree with you on it I won't fall into the trap and let you pull the thread there.
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