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Old 09-05-2010, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Originally Posted by ergohead View Post
Doubtful. Show me his stated admission.
You will find multiple admissions by him in written and video form here:

American Patriot Foundation: FTC Terry Lakin Defense Fund

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Jumping ahead of yourself, are you?
Not at all. You are simply still struggling to catch up.
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Old 09-05-2010, 03:32 PM
 
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That's false and misleading. No one has seen the ORIGINAL birth certificate. If you would read the transcript of interview with the Hawaiian state official that oversees vital statistics, then you would know that she herself has never seen the actual ORIGINAL birth certificate. The only claim she ever made was that the "certification" of live birth was an official Hawaii state document and that seal on the document is valid.
Acutally, Hawaii officials have said that the COLB posted online matches the information they have on file for Obama.

To "authenticate" what Obama has posted, he or have someone bring the COLB he received BACK to Hawaii and have them look at it.



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The question still stands: Where is the ORIGINAL birth certificate?
There is no "original" COLB anymore. It hasn't existed since at least the 1990's. Completely done away with since 2001.

Since 2001. the COLB is the ONLY form that Hawaii gives out. Whether you were born in 2001 or 2010, the green COLB certificate is the only form given to Hawaii residents and their children born there. There is not other form given to parents.

All of the old type written and WRITTEN records since 1908 have been data entried into a COMPUTER. Not scanned, not saved as an image. But text entered into a DB.

All paper originals are kept off site elsewhere, because due to HAWAII weather, these records have to be kept in environmental controlled building.

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Anyway, they can always appeal the judges decision and an appellate court can overturn the ruling and require a showing of the ORIGINAL birth certificate.
appeals court will not overturn the ruling, as it was ruled based on the facts:
Lakin disobeyed direct orders of his commanding officer, and his commanding officer is NOT Obama.
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Old 09-05-2010, 03:32 PM
 
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The left called these people patriots during the Bush years, now all of a sudden they are deserters and traitors.. Tell me why the change of heart?
Refusing to deploy due to an unjustified war is one argument.

Refusing to deploy because you think the president shouldn't be in office because you haven't seen his birth certificate is another.

One is towing being a sheeple for one side, the other argument is being a sheeple for another.

Neither of them make much sense though. Soldiers enlist and they give up those kinds of choices.
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Old 09-05-2010, 10:26 PM
 
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Where the hell did Lakin's superior officers get their authority?
By getting promoted to positions over him. That's how it works in the armed forces. You get promoted, you get to tell those under your command what to do.

In this case, you get to tell them to stop worrying their little heads about paperwork way higher in the chain of command and to get on with the damn job at hand. (Actually, that's one of the first privileges they hand you. Even a corporal can tell his grunts just that, if they decide that scrubbing latrines should be postponed until they personally see the Colonel's commission.) LTC Lakin's CO has listened to his complaint and - by word or action - told him that in his estimation, it's without merit. That ends it, as far as Lakin is concerned.

In Lakin's case, his orders to ship were reiterated by several higher-ranking officers, so it's not as if it's just poor judgment of one commanding officer. And of course, Lakin has shown himself quite willing to accept orders of the non-going-to-Afghanistan kind, so he can't even claim to have a consistent stance.
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Old 09-05-2010, 10:35 PM
 
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There is already precedent within Military court concerning what Lakin is doing and was cited in the ruling over the irrelevant evidence in Lakin's case:

http://www.armfor.uscourts.gov/opini...rm/99-0640.pdf

United States vs New

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In Huet-Vaughn, we reaffirmed the idea that personal belief that an order is unlawful cannot be a defense to a disobedience charge, holding: “The duty to disobey an unlawful order applies only to a positive act that constitutes a crime that is so manifestly beyond the legal power or discretion of the commander as to admit of no rational doubt of their unlawfulness.”

If Lakin was ordered to rape or murder women in a village; that would be unlawful orders and can be contested.
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Old 09-05-2010, 11:48 PM
 
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If Lakin was ordered to rape or murder women in a village; that would be unlawful orders and can be contested.
Good analysis, except I think orders of that nature must be refused.
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Old 09-06-2010, 12:32 AM
 
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the part i've always had a problem with the lakin/birther factor is....... they honestly are the modern day "tokyo rose".
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Old 09-13-2010, 02:22 PM
 
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10 days in and......... unfortunetly i think it's hitting lakin that he's made a mistake.
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Old 09-13-2010, 02:35 PM
 
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Will Obama pardon him?
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Old 09-13-2010, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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10 days in and......... unfortunetly i think it's hitting lakin that he's made a mistake.
I notice they still haven't mentioned the results of the hearing anywhere on their web site.
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