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View Poll Results: Do you support or oppose the Social Security program?
Support SS,want it more socialistic ( "progressive") 7 14.89%
Support SS,want it as is,only minor adjustments 16 34.04%
Doubtful about SS,want it more capitalistic (partial privatisation) 6 12.77%
Against SS,want full privatisation 18 38.30%
Voters: 47. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-07-2010, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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If you eliminate social security and medicare then forget about calling America one of the best countries in the world. It simply won't be anymore.
so you are saying that america was nothing before 1937 and 1965????
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Old 09-07-2010, 03:39 PM
 
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Social Security is a SOCIALIST program.

A gov mandate or law to ask individuals to participate or create their own individual retirement & disability programs would be a capitalist program.

Hong Kong,created as a showcase of capitalism ,against the communist Red China ,was the only country without SS...
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Old 09-07-2010, 03:41 PM
 
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SS and medicare cannot be eliminated, it is part of what makes us a modern civilized country.

IMO the discussion needs to concern addressing funding gaps and inefficiencies in the systems, not eliminating them.
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Old 09-07-2010, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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SS and medicare cannot be eliminated, it is part of what makes us a modern civilized country.

IMO the discussion needs to concern addressing funding gaps and inefficiencies in the systems, not eliminating them.

SS was NEVER intended to be a retirement system....it was suppoesed to SUPLEMENT YOUR OWN retirement

and why do the liberals keep CUTTING medicare... why is medicare (for seniors) not a 100% coverage...why do seniors have to BUY a suplemental insurance...why is medicare and ss taxable.....liberals keep putting seniors down
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Old 09-07-2010, 03:47 PM
 
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Social Security would have been fine if:
folks didn't live past 65 which was the
life expectancy when it was created,

and the government didn't borrow and
steal from it,

for military wars of choice/expenditures
that is a drain on us all.

Other than that, I don't have a problem with it
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Old 09-07-2010, 03:59 PM
 
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SS was NEVER intended to be a retirement system....it was suppoesed to SUPLEMENT YOUR OWN retirement
I know this, and I agree with this. Even more specifically it wasn't meant to be a 20 year vacation for a still healthy and able-bodied senior citizen.

However it is critical in allowing many of our elderly who aren't able to work to lead their senior years with dignity.
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Old 09-07-2010, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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In my opinion the bigest problem facing Social Security is that most of it has been banked as US Treasuries ($5.5 trillion worth) when you complain about the 11 Trillion dollar national debt and the 25% of the budget that goes into interest payments on the debt (500 billion) 40 % of that is going into SS and Medicare. The problem is most of those Treasuries are going to have to be liquidated to cover SS and Medicare expenses for the next 30 years. Someone is going to have to buy them and hold on to them not liquidate then. Who in jis right mind would want to give America 5.5 trillion dollars and then not have a liquid asset?
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Old 09-07-2010, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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I know this, and I agree with this. Even more specifically it wasn't meant to be a 20 year vacation for a still healthy and able-bodied senior citizen.

However it is critical in allowing many of our elderly who aren't able to work to lead their senior years with dignity.


You are one of those people who don't understand that senior citizen employees are not very desirable to most employers. They don't convey a corporate image of stength, vigor or creativity. They are viewed as being conservative, resistent to new ways and ideas and are not up on the latest trends in popular culture. They are at the top of the wage scales in their brackets or positions so there is little room for pay adjustments as a reward and a small number of such employees can blow a hole in a companies healthcare insurance budget. Nearly all American companies start to weed out older employees and its starts as early as age 50 but normally by age 59.
59 is when you can start to tap into a retirement account like a 401(k). Americans may think of retirement as a 20 year vaction but they better damn well get it in their thick heads that they may not have a choice. The employer has the choice to employ or not to employ. Remember it is a employ at will nation in most states (misnamed Right to Work)
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Old 09-07-2010, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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The cornestore of socialism is the Social Security system.

Founded at 1935,in syncronisation with the rise of socialists ( & ...national-socialists ) in Europe.

The program was "enriched" in 1965 with
socialised medicine for the elderly ( Medicare)
& "charity " medicine ( Medicaid).

Almost all Dems support the current system,
in fact many want it more..."progressive".

Republicans are divided.

The leftwing supports SS,only wants technical improvements.

The rightwing only talk about reform,partial privatisation ,what
ever.

What is your opinion on the subject
& what are your proposals for alternative systems,
more socialised or more capitalistic...

You may vote too...
The federal legislators have been raiding the SS fund since day one, robbing the people of their money, and writing IOUs to our children. I'd like to see it go full privatization, then at least we can expect some accountability for the hundreds of billions that we contribute.
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Old 09-07-2010, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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You are one of those people who don't understand that senior citizen employees are not very desirable to most employers. They don't convey a corporate image of stength, vigor or creativity. They are viewed as being conservative, resistent to new ways and ideas and are not up on the latest trends in popular culture. They are at the top of the wage scales in their brackets or positions so there is little room for pay adjustments as a reward and a small number of such employees can blow a hole in a companies healthcare insurance budget. Nearly all American companies start to weed out older employees and its starts as early as age 50 but normally by age 59.
59 is when you can start to tap into a retirement account like a 401(k). Americans may think of retirement as a 20 year vaction but they better damn well get it in their thick heads that they may not have a choice. The employer has the choice to employ or not to employ. Remember it is a employ at will nation in most states (misnamed Right to Work)
So 50 is old now?

This is only giving us another reason why we need to get off employer supplied health care, and start tackling the reasons why health care costs are soaring, so we can purchase our own health care insurance.
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