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View Poll Results: Should the government have a right to kill us?
Yes 24 57.14%
No 17 40.48%
Not sure 1 2.38%
Voters: 42. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-18-2010, 01:56 PM
 
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It is important to distinguish between abolitionists & prohibitionists...
The abolitionist is against the DP for philosophical/religious reasons,
however he accepts the reality,that the murderer is guilty as sin.
Thus, a true humanitarian abolitionist supports " life without parole"...

However,the prohibitionists are indeed socialists,they believe the murderers are innocent & social reasons are to blame for their behaviour...
So,not only they don 't want the DP but they want as light a prison sentence as possible...
For them,the murderers are INNOCENT,the society is GUILTY...

So,anyone should declare if he is an abolitionist ( murderer is guilty,DP wrong,LWOP ok) ,
or a prohibitionist /" progressive" /socialist ( murderer is innocent)...
Then I'm definitely an abolitionist. My position is also inspired by a libertarian philosophy that believes in limiting the government's power over our bodies.
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Old 09-18-2010, 02:05 PM
 
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Libertarianism is against any gov which mis/dis-represents the will of the people...

Anarchism is against any gov authority...

In USA,we have the good ( libertarianism ) tainted by the bad ( anarchism)...

If a gov gets 60,70,80% support by the people,it can be big or small, but it poses no problem...

For example,I don't mind if IRS has 15K or 150K personnel,
or the tax code is small like a postcard or big as an encyclopedia,
provided the income tax rates are...5 % to 20%,as in the pre-1997 Hong Kong...
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Old 09-18-2010, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Elsewhere
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Then I'm definitely an abolitionist. My position is also inspired by a libertarian philosophy that believes in limiting the government's power over our bodies.
I'm an abolitionist, too. I used to be pro death penalty, but I changed my mind over the years for several reasons.

And just yesterday I read an interview with Sister Helen Prejean, lol, so today I am particularly anti-death penalty.
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Old 09-18-2010, 02:15 PM
 
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However,a democratic justice system must serve all parties,
so we need a mixed system,with DP & LWOT,on & active in all 50 states...

Today,16 states don't have the DP even on paper,

some 20 have it only on paper,( Connecticut style,1 execution every...50 years)
& practically only in the South we have ( a few) executions...

This whole situation is very undemocratic...
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Old 09-18-2010, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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On principle, I don't believe that our government should have a right to murder us. That gives them way too much power.
and why? You take a life of an innocent person, you pay the consequences. To me, that is all there is to it. I do think, the person needs to be found quilty by so much overwelming evidence, there can be no question, but when that is the case, good-bye!!!

Nita
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Old 09-18-2010, 03:04 PM
 
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and why? You take a life of an innocent person, you pay the consequences.
Again, it's a principle I believe in. Just as many Americans believe that the government should not have a right to legislate gun ownership or meddle in our sex lives, I don't believe the government should have a right to kill its own citizens - for any reason.

If someone is a danger to society, that person should be locked up, but I draw the line at killing them.
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Old 09-18-2010, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Boise
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I used to favor the DP. No longer do. Many people who have been on Death Row or in prison for life have been exonerated through DNA evidence. Not saying I'm for light sentences, but death is final, Life without parole is great for murderers in my opinion. I also don't believe the government has the right to kill its own citizens. On religious grounds, WWJD? Would Jesus pulls the lever? I think not.

Besides, does it really bring closure? Does you're family member come back? No. And I have had a murder victim in the family before some one says I've never been there to understand.

That's my round about way of saying I am a abolitionist.
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Old 09-18-2010, 03:24 PM
 
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It's ironic that small-government conservatives would believe that the government should have a right to murder its own citizens. There's no greater surrendering of power to the government than to tell them that they have a right to kill you.
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Old 09-18-2010, 03:24 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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You seriously need a seminar in how to write unbiased, non-inflammatory poll questions. Which is why I rarely participate in your polls.

A poll:
Yes or no.
>Is it proper to smoke while praying?
or
>Is it proper to pray while smoking.

I've used this as an example separating the questions by about a 1/2 hour. The response change almost every time.
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Old 09-18-2010, 03:27 PM
 
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It's ironic that small-government conservatives would believe that the government should have a right to murder its own citizens. There's no greater surrendering of power to the government than to tell them that they have a right to kill you.
Is that another assumptive statement or do you have a link to a study that proves your claim?
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