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Old 09-23-2010, 06:14 AM
 
Location: South Fla
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Don't worry, in a couple of generations of eating Mercury filled dolphins, the Japanese will be a bunch of babbling idiots and won't even remember their names, let alone how to hunt and kill dolphins.
Sadly the hunt has been going on for generation's
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Old 09-23-2010, 06:19 AM
 
Location: South Fla
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Sea Shepherd is a terrorist organization, and the TV series Whale Wars captured them lying multiple times on film.
Wow To throw terrorist organization around like that demeans the real terrorist. The ones that kill people. I guess I just cant call someone a terrorist for protecting wild life. They dont blow things up, They dont even use violence.

I am not an Eco person. I dont put trees before people, but we should all be able to recognize that killing the sea's is not the smartest thing to do.
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Old 09-23-2010, 06:23 AM
 
Location: New Kensington (Parnassus) ,Pa
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Sadly the hunt has been going on for generation's
Yes, but mercury has only been an issue for a short period of time.
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Old 09-23-2010, 09:33 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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Wow To throw terrorist organization around like that demeans the real terrorist. The ones that kill people. I guess I just cant call someone a terrorist for protecting wild life. They dont blow things up, They dont even use violence.

I am not an Eco person. I dont put trees before people, but we should all be able to recognize that killing the sea's is not the smartest thing to do.
Actually they have used bombs on ships they've sunk. Sea Shepherd's Record of Violence (http://www.highnorth.no/library/movements/Sea_Shepherd/se-sh-re.htm - broken link)

FBI considers them terrorists: Federal Bureau of Investigation - Congressional Testimony (http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress02/jarboe021202.htm - broken link)

Interpol has also listed Watson on their watch list for terrorism.

They put lives at serious risk everytime they ram a ship in the antarctic ocean in frigid waters far from any help, health and safety at risk everytime they throw acid at people, everytime they get close and break up ice under sealers' feet in Canada (which would drown them given their heavy clothing). They certainly caused injury and put lives at risk here:

timesofmalta.com - Updated: Fishermen to file claim against Sea Shepherd

Injured Maltese fishermen airlifted to hospital by rescue helicopter | MaltaToday

Sea Shepherd is an animal rights terrorist group; it's not about preventing the killing of the sea, it's about them not wanting anyone to eat fish, meat, use fur, etc. and resorting to dangerous and violent tactics to force their political agenda on people (meets the definition of terrorism).

Even greenpeace denounces them as violent: http://www.greenpeace.org/internatio...y/paul-watson/
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Old 09-24-2010, 07:51 AM
 
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Actually they have used bombs on ships they've sunk. Sea Shepherd's Record of Violence (http://www.highnorth.no/library/movements/Sea_Shepherd/se-sh-re.htm - broken link)

FBI considers them terrorists: Federal Bureau of Investigation - Congressional Testimony (http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress02/jarboe021202.htm - broken link)

Interpol has also listed Watson on their watch list for terrorism.

They put lives at serious risk everytime they ram a ship in the antarctic ocean in frigid waters far from any help, health and safety at risk everytime they throw acid at people, everytime they get close and break up ice under sealers' feet in Canada (which would drown them given their heavy clothing). They certainly caused injury and put lives at risk here:

timesofmalta.com - Updated: Fishermen to file claim against Sea Shepherd

Injured Maltese fishermen airlifted to hospital by rescue helicopter | MaltaToday

Sea Shepherd is an animal rights terrorist group; it's not about preventing the killing of the sea, it's about them not wanting anyone to eat fish, meat, use fur, etc. and resorting to dangerous and violent tactics to force their political agenda on people (meets the definition of terrorism).

Even greenpeace denounces them as violent: Paul Watson, Sea Shepherd and Greenpeace: some facts | Greenpeace International

You know what though? he has not killed anyone, Japan is just as aggressive and no one is doing jack about the illegal whaling or (immoral) dolphin slaughter. Someone has to. Until he kills someone or does something too crazy for me, I support him. Japan is doing everything they can do to get the whaling ban taken away. Buteric acid just makes you nauseous and stinks horribly. I don't see it killing anyone.
We can argue all day. Someone has to stand up for the ocean- we are killing it, literally, faster than we imagine.
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Old 09-24-2010, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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Considering the levels of brutality humans commit against other humans, I'm not surprised by what we'll do to animals (intelligent or otherwise). With that said, we have to eat and the slaughter of animals for human consumption is not pretty.

Regarding zoos and aquariums, my opinion is that those places are kind of like prisons for animals. The animals always look a little bummed out being there. There is a fine line with those, though. Zoos and aquariums make real what is often abstract because most people will never go to the places where these animals really live. It is an educational experience.
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Old 09-24-2010, 09:24 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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You know what though? he has not killed anyone, Japan is just as aggressive and no one is doing jack about the illegal whaling or (immoral) dolphin slaughter. Someone has to. Until he kills someone or does something too crazy for me, I support him. Japan is doing everything they can do to get the whaling ban taken away. Buteric acid just makes you nauseous and stinks horribly. I don't see it killing anyone.
We can argue all day. Someone has to stand up for the ocean- we are killing it, literally, faster than we imagine.
Japan is aggressive? Legally, under international law on piracy, they can just kill every one of the sea shepherd terrorists/pirates. They're showing a lot of restraint.

The whaling is not illegal. The IWC cooperates in issuing the permits. If it were illegal the IWC would condemn it, as anti-whaling nations have a slight advantage in it. Furthermore, the IWC is voluntary, Japan could leave it and not be bound by it at all. The claims Australia owns the waters that Watson trots out is nonsense as the Antarctic Treaty ended such claims and Australia signed it.

Butyric acid is quite dangerous. The MSDS on it: http://www.sciencelab.com/xMSDS-Butyric_acid-9923216
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Old 09-24-2010, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Sacramento, Ca
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Wow To throw terrorist organization around like that demeans the real terrorist. The ones that kill people. I guess I just cant call someone a terrorist for protecting wild life. They dont blow things up, They dont even use violence.

I am not an Eco person. I dont put trees before people, but we should all be able to recognize that killing the sea's is not the smartest thing to do.
I think, attempting to disable a ship in antarctic water is violent. If they were to succeed with a prop fouler and a storm were to come through, those fishermen would be in grave danger, unable to move the ship.
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Old 09-24-2010, 12:40 PM
 
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Japan is aggressive? Legally, under international law on piracy, they can just kill every one of the sea shepherd terrorists/pirates. They're showing a lot of restraint.

The whaling is not illegal. The IWC cooperates in issuing the permits. If it were illegal the IWC would condemn it, as anti-whaling nations have a slight advantage in it. Furthermore, the IWC is voluntary, Japan could leave it and not be bound by it at all. The claims Australia owns the waters that Watson trots out is nonsense as the Antarctic Treaty ended such claims and Australia signed it.

Butyric acid is quite dangerous. The MSDS on it: http://www.sciencelab.com/xMSDS-Butyric_acid-9923216


No, whaling is illegal. Japan gets away with it cause they do it under the premise that is is soley for research. they don't research anything and they sell the meat.
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Old 09-24-2010, 03:27 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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No, whaling is illegal. Japan gets away with it cause they do it under the premise that is is soley for research. they don't research anything and they sell the meat.
Why don't you go ask the IWC if Japan's whaling is illegal, since you refuse to accept the truth when I write it?

IWC regs require the meat be sold and not wasted.
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