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Old 09-28-2010, 10:04 PM
 
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Yet you have no interest in commenting on the fact that a state like NV with it's Libertarian leanings is somehow able to allow legal prostitution and at the same time keep it's religious conservatives happy.
Nevada's not that great. Prostitution is illegal in Clark County - the largest county in the state. It's also illegal throughout the rest of the state unless it's happening in a state-sanctioned brothel. It's illegal for prostitutes to work as independent contractors. So much for freedom.

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You also choose to ignore the idea of prostitution being an issue of state's rights rather than yet another (classically liberal) opportunity for the federal government to impose it's will upon individual states.
I never said a GD thing about the federal government getting involved. Nice try.

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It would seem Libertarianism is somehow managing to allow more personal freedom than liberalism. Imagine that.
I'm all for libertarianism. Not sure where you're coming up with your arguments. Looks like you just want to broad-brush me as a liberal Californian without reading my actual words.

The discussion is this: Do you think prostitution should be legal? Why or why not?
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Old 09-28-2010, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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I say legalize it...then TAX THE HECK OUT OF IT
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Old 09-28-2010, 10:23 PM
 
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Nevada's not that great. Prostitution is illegal in Clark County - the largest county in the state. It's also illegal throughout the rest of the state unless it's happening in a state-sanctioned brothel. It's illegal for prostitutes to work as independent contractors. So much for freedom.

The brothels are licensed by individual counties not the state. Prostitutes work as individual contractors within the brothels. Legality or illegality is determined by individual counties rather than the state.



I never said a GD thing about the federal government getting involved. Nice try.

You said; "And the U.S. plods along, holding on to Puritanical laws that restrict consenting adults from doing what they want with their bodies. Hopefully our courts will follow Canada's lead on this issue."

That certainly sounds to me like an argument on your part for federal involvement.



I'm all for libertarianism. Not sure where you're coming up with your arguments. Looks like you just want to broad-brush me as a liberal Californian without reading my actual words.

Your implication that this is a US rather than individual state issue (see above) is what leads me to believe your views are liberal rather than Libertarian.

The discussion is this: Do you think prostitution should be legal? Why or why not?

I have no problem with it being legal as long as it's decided at the local rather than federal level. Federal government has no business attempting to legislate morality.
My answers in bold above.
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Old 09-28-2010, 10:35 PM
 
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My answers in bold above.
You assumed wrong. When I said "our courts", I was referring to all of our courts, although I certainly wouldn't mind if the U.S. Supreme Court struck down all prostitution laws. I see it as a matter of free speech, which is protected by the U.S. Constitution.

This isn't an argument about states rights or federalism, however. I'm more interested in whether or not people on this forum believe prostitution between consenting adults should be legal.
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Old 09-28-2010, 10:41 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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This isn't an argument about states rights or federalism, however. I'm more interested in whether or not people on this forum believe prostitution between consenting adults should be legal.
sure let it be legal

every john should get a 1099 at the end of their service

no-one should work off the books

if they are RICH enough to pay for sex...then they are RICH enough to get taxed
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Old 09-28-2010, 10:42 PM
 
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You assumed wrong. When I said "our courts", I was referring to all of our courts, although I certainly wouldn't mind if the U.S. Supreme Court struck down all prostitution laws. I see it as a matter of free speech, which is protected by the U.S. Constitution.

This isn't an argument about states rights or federalism, however. I'm more interested in whether or not people on this forum believe prostitution between consenting adults should be legal.
Prostitution laws are local. The Supreme Court has no business inserting itself into the matter. I'm not at all sure how you can arrive at prostitution having anything to do with free speech.

I'd suggest (and this is strictly my opinion) that your initial post in this thread comes across as more of a jab at "Puritanical Right Wingers" than an honest question as to whether prostitution should or should not be legal.

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Old 09-28-2010, 11:32 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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sure let it be legal

every john should get a 1099 at the end of their service

no-one should work off the books

if they are RICH enough to pay for sex...then they are RICH enough to get taxed
You still have time to heavily edit or, better still, delete this piece of stupidity before it is immortalized forever on the C-D server.

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Old 09-29-2010, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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You still have time to heavily edit or, better still, delete this piece of stupidity before it is immortalized forever on the C-D server.

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why should I delete it

fact is that prostitution is a service, or a product, and people are being PAID to perform that service, and people are PAYing for that service

the prositute should be paying taxes on their money earned

the john should be paying sales tax at least

under the new laws from obama any business transactions over 600 ANNUAL require a 1099


and no-one should work off the books (legal or illegal (either action or alien)) you work off the books you are not paying into the system....we need a flat tax on all income..to include prostitution and welfare


its just like the so called 'drug war'...legalize it and tax it


or do you not see the light
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Old 09-29-2010, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Dublin, CA
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What you are, is a typical liberal, picking from other countries, what you want, to bolster your points. You cannot compare Canada, or any other country, to that of the United States. This countries set of laws, morals/ethics, differ from other countries, based upon a magnitude of issues; culture, up bringings, etc. You can't compare the two.

Its liberals who like to say: Look at France! How great the socialism is there. People work 35 hour work weeks, have long vacations, free healthcare, etc. We should be more like them!!! Oh wait, France is 2/3 run by nuclear power. Well, now, we can't have that in the US. Those damn nuclear power plants. My kids will grow up with a third arm or something. But, everything else I like!!!

If you want to change the country from within, fine. Don't cherry pick what you want from another country and compare it here; there isnt' a comparison.

By the way, prostitution should be illegal for a myraid of reasons. NONE of them you will agree with; nor will anyone else who wants it legalized. You'll always find an excuse as to why it should be legal; just like dopers. YOU want it legal, so YOU can USE it, without fear of problems/retribution. What it does to ANYONE ELSE, you don't care about. Like I said, you are typical liberal...
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Old 09-29-2010, 07:41 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Here's the question: Do you believe prostitution between consenting adults should be legal? Why or why not?
Yes, I have thought for many years that prostitution (female AND male) should be legal.

1. The world's oldest profession is not going away.
2 Legalize it; tax it.
3. Have people who want to get into the business go through health screenings on a regular basis.
4. Anyone who wants to have sex with a prostitute should also get a certificate of health and should not be able to engage without one.
5. It's a way for people who have no other skills to be able to support themselves.
6. Having sex is as natural as needing water and food, face it, people.
7. Again, the law against it is a violation of a person's freedom to do whatever they want with their own bodies.
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