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If you could wave a magic wand and unionize the entire US workforce overnight, tomorrow you would have a dramatically higher unemployment rate. Unions do not provide job protection: the UAW went from 500,000 members to barely over 50,000 in three decades. If you cost more than you are worth, your job is not protected--and the primary purpose of unions is to command wages above their market value.
Roosevelt proved it in the 1930's.
You think the Wagner Act was responsible for the length of the Depression; thanks for admitting that. What policies of the NLRB are the most pernicious, to you?
"the primary purpose of unions is to command wages above their market value" - ah.... link?
How was that, by giving workers the right to organize and collectively bargain to protect their jobs? Damn him!
Employers wanted to lower wages but FDR wouldn't let them.
Lower wages meant they were able to keep more workers. Higher wages meant they had to get rid of people in order to compensate for lack of business.
FDR was directly reponsible for millions of people being unemployed when they need not be.
This is also why minimum wage laws lead to unemployment. Especially among black teen males. Basically, if you support FDRs policies or minimum wage laws you support racist policies.
Employers wanted to lower wages but FDR wouldn't let them.
Lower wages meant they were able to keep more workers. Higher wages meant they had to get rid of people in order to compensate for lack of business.
FDR was directly reponsible for millions of people being unemployed when they need not be.
This is also why minimum wage laws lead to unemployment. Especially among black teen males. Basically, if you support FDRs policies or minimum wage laws you support racist policies.
Not that you'd have the foggiest chance of understanding ... as it is so obvious on the surface, your missing those things proves your inability from the onset ... I will, for others who may possess the intellect to grasp them, honor your rhetorical request.
Though I would first point out that Obama has very little to do with any of it ... I blamed the Obama-bots ... not Obama ... there is a decidedly important distinction here, so let that be your first illumination. And the second one should be that the same could be said of the "other side" the Bush-bots who to this day will swear to you that we actually did find those dreaded weapons of mass destruction tucked away in Saddam's closet in palace number 3 ... even after it was publicly admitted that they were not found. Apparently even a confession is not good enough. The common denominator is never the "dictator" himself, these are just puppets ... but of the idiots that follow and support them ... who believe the blatant lies ... and continue to allow themselves to be lied to because they haven't the brains or courage to think for themselves.
The similarities are numerous, as is also the case with many other failed "empires" of the past, of which Nazi Germany is but one recent example.
Hitler came to power through the promise of restoring the great German Republic which had been ravaged by war and paralyzed by economic hardship imposed by previous policies. As Hitler's nationalistic propaganda advanced and he gained political power from the "common people" promising to restore Germany's proud heritage and national prestige, his rise to power, and his ability to rebuild Germany was financed by the international gangster banksters that have run America for decades. In fact, he was a contrivance of the international bankers ... a created enemy to be combatted by the Allied Forces who were also funded by the same bankers. Those are the facts, and if it sounds like a conspiracy theory to you ... it's only a sign of your ignorance.
Then, Hitler needed an enemy to consolidate the masses behind his expansionist imperial agenda. The communists. He sat out to create his police state apparatus to combat the communist threat to the "Fatherland". His burning of the Reichstag to be blamed on the communists allowed him to convince the parliament to decree to him dictatorial powers ... and round up all political opposition. First, the brown shirts ... then the SS, whom he used to murder the brown shirts as soon as they outlived their usefulness. He waged a psychological con game on the German public with patriotism, as he preemptively invaded countries of eastern europe, claiming to be combating persecution, and other false claims. Using his police state apparatus, he maintained his status as supreme ruler with a combination of propaganda and fear. Ultimately, through unsustainable wars of aggression, he bankrupted and destroyed the nation he claimed to be saving and restoring to worldwide prominence.
This is precisely what has been occurring since September 12, 2001. First, the events of 911 (Hitler's Reichstag) .. and the following 10 years of preemptive wars of aggression being sold to the public as the war on terror. The police state apparatus began in earnest by the passing of the Patriot Act, and the establishment of the Department of Homeland Security (Hitler's SS).
The economic drains on the American economy from wars and the doubling of the size of the federal government, combined with the wholesale looting of the treasury under the guise of bailouts and economic stimulus is leading the country (and the world) to financial collapse. The death blow will come at the moment of THEIR choosing ... probably by means of another "Staged Terror Event" to justify another war ... this one with Iran, which has been the target all along. Look at a BLOODY MAP, and see how Iran is being surrounded by US and Israeli military operations ... The same LAME excuses of WMD's that were used to justify war with Iraq are now being recycled and used to stimulate public support for an attack on Iran .... ALL LIES ... but the American public is so dumbed down, they can barely tie their own shoelaces at this point, so it really doesn't matter how many times these criminals lie ... or use the SAME LIES ... it appears as though the public will buy it.
Hey ... if you can get the public to agree that it's necessary to give Trillions of dollars to Billionaire gangsters in order to fix an economic crisis the gangsters themselves created by looting the economy with endless wars and government spending ... I guess they'll buy anything ... including their little American Flags to wave, and the Yellow Ribbon stickers that say "Support the troops" they buy at Walmart ... all made in China.
It's one large festival of stupidity ... one gigantic con job .... and the cherry on top?
A freaking Kenyan illegal alien installed in the White House .... with the masses of the MOST IGNORANT PEOPLE EVER TO BREATH FREAKING AIR cheering with bloody tears of joy streaming from their stupid faces.
I'd love to chalk this up to the inherent goodness of people and their heartfelt belief in hope and change.
Unfortunately, with a lifetime of lies coming from virtually every politician we've endured for the past 40 years, such generosity and benefit of the doubt is undeserved.
The ignorant masses bought this Madison Avenue creation, like the latest designer pair of jeans ... and that truly is the ultimate display of stupidity.
Welcome to the 4th Reich .... where political dissent is labeled racism ... and blind support of the most obvious lies are the new form of patriotism.
It is conspiracy theory, and it is bunk. And the fact that you feel the need to support your argument by belittling people rather than making a sound argument shows that your perspective is weak.
You've shown no similarity between Obama and Hitler. Hitler came to power on a wave of nationalism. Obama did not. Hitler blamed a specific ethnic group for Germany's problems. Obama did not. Hitler's relationship to bankers was tenuous. He certainly wasn't their creation, nor is Obama. We don't live in a police state. The United States may have a brown shirts contingent, our own little Nazi party, but they are not supported by the government, nor are they an extension of the government.
I know that you are committed to your theories, and that by carefully sifting through news reports, cherry-picking the information that fits your theories, you've convinced yourself that there can be no other reasonable explanation for current events except your explanation. But I don't see the world the way you do, and if you can't accept that there are other viable perspectives besides your own, you really aren't thinking rationally.
"Much of the ongoing debate in political, business and social/cultural arenas is rooted in an underlying disagreement about what best serves national interests and individual lives -- is it promoting the common good, or serving self-interest?"
Humans by nature are both about working for the common good but also about their own self-interest.
Which works the best? Which promotes the highest productivity and satisfaction? You simply cannot ignore the self-interest side of the human being.
Even when working for a common goal, it's often only a common goal of a smaller group - family, neighborhood, town. Competition is a huge driving force.
People that can make statements like this just do not know any history at all. FDR saved the USA from almost complete distruction, anarchy and revolution. What about countries that had very right wing conservative governments at the time? Do you suppose that they did better than the USA during the depression? They did not and not only did they not most of them did not survive at all. We had a conservative government here in Canada at the time until the people woke up to the fact that they were only interested in preserving the priviledged classes and cared not for the common man. Once that was realized they were toast and were thrown out of power for the next 40 years or so.
Ahem! I lived during FDR's foolish agenda...much like the one we are experiencing now on the economic front. I was very young, but I remember the struggle of just trying to put food on the table...we grew our own and hunted for our meat. I have lived long enough to be able to experience the bad fallout of FDR's foolishness (ignorance/ego/arrogrance/etc. ... sound familiar??) throughout the years since. Don't ever assume that when some of us speak about that which we have lived and experienced that we do not know history.
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What the country can't survive is another know nothing do nothing bunch that want all the riches and wealth of the country for themselves but are nice enough to let the dregs "Trickle" down to the working class that make up the vast majority of the population. While I am at it what is it that makes you think that the conservatives are one bit more fiscally responsible than the liberals. History tells us that is just not the case.
Who do you think provides the majority of the jobs?? It is not the middle class. It is those that are willing to invest, put everything they own at risk and create business/corporations that hire employees. I don't begrudge anyone or any entity that make $'s. They work hard for it and take gambles with their assets. If they inherit...fine...someone "back there" worked for it and created jobs. That's what free enterprise is all about. It is the only thing that creates a lasting society...its only when "jealous" people that are small-minded start screwing things up that free enterprise is in jeopardy and, thus, so is the wonderful society it creates.
As for the WPA...that was the beginning of government welfare, wasn't it!!! Look where that has taken us. That's exactly what I mean when I say that when one lives long enough one can see where some programs lead over time...not good! This is just one of the programs which led to prolonging the Great Depression!
Really what runs our society is people wanting stuff. People want houses, clothes, food, televisions, iPhones. Hardly anyone wants just a few basics needed for survival, they all want more than they really need. The welfare class is no different - they want to shop at malls, they want to fill their grocery carts with lots and lots of food, brand name foods, steaks and lobster.
The only difference is that some are willing to work for everything they want and others want it given to them.
Those who want all this "common good" aren't the ones who want to have to get out there and get it themselves. They're just as greedy - they see what others have and want it but they want it from the others.
I don't give a damn who said what, if a person is required by the state to provide for the common and collective good of that state then you are engaging in a socialist act.
Sorry, but you're a socialist.
People on the right lose their ever loving minds about being required to pay for the common and collective health care of others because the Constitution doesn't explicitly state they are required to engage in societal socialist programs like health care but think it is fine and dandy because the Constitution requires it in the case of the common and collective defense?
While I understand why many on the right have this issue, they are welcome to do so as fellow socialist Americans that we are and always have been.
What part of this do you not understand? Nobody is forced to do anything. Like the other poster said, 47% of people don't pay any taxes, where is the force being used to make them pay? They also stated that not everyone has to sign up for selective service. What about women? You people trying to make this out to be socialist policies are reaching way too far into oblivion.
What part of this do you not understand? Nobody is forced to do anything. Like the other poster said, 47% of people don't pay any taxes, where is the force being used to make them pay? They also stated that not everyone has to sign up for selective service. What about women? You people trying to make this out to be socialist policies are reaching way too far into oblivion.
What does 47% of people not paying taxes have to do with anything?
If a person who pays taxes at the end of the year, is exempt from selective service, do they get to choose to withhold the percentage of their taxes that is used for the military? If they do not, then they are being forced to pay for the common and collective good and in this case defense, even if they don't wish to take part.
I'd like to know where the check box on the IRS form that says, "I don't wish to participate in national defense" and reduce my tax rate.
Who do you think provides the majority of the jobs?? It is not the middle class. It is those that are willing to invest, put everything they own at risk and create business/corporations that hire employees. I don't begrudge anyone or any entity that make $'s. They work hard for it and take gambles with their assets. If they inherit...fine...someone "back there" worked for it and created jobs. That's what free enterprise is all about. It is the only thing that creates a lasting society...its only when "jealous" people that are small-minded start screwing things up that free enterprise is in jeopardy and, thus, so is the wonderful society it creates.
As for the WPA...that was the beginning of government welfare, wasn't it!!! Look where that has taken us. That's exactly what I mean when I say that when one lives long enough one can see where some programs lead over time...not good! This is just one of the programs which led to prolonging the Great Depression!
I think it is the middle class that provides the most jobs - maybe not directly but it's the middle class that should have enough capitalism in it that it can buy things that keeps the economy going. There can never be enough rich to employ the rest as servants.
All countries have the rich and the poor - the poorest countries have a rich class - often a very rich class. What's best though is to have widespread capitalism so that a large middle class can spend and invest. We need a capitalism that many can participate in - that is the middle class.
It also doesn't work if everyone just wants a few basics and that's it. Even socialism doesn't work if the non-workers just say give them some day old bread and some beans, let them shop at thrift stores and they'll be happy with that. Even socialism is about grabbing to see who can get the most. But in the case of socialism it's about the non-productive making the grab which is why it doesn't work out.
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