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Old 12-06-2010, 01:22 PM
 
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And Bill Gates is the true rags to riches story.
Bill Gates - DOS - IBM.

Bill subcontracted out the work for MS-DOS and then kept the rights after letting IBM put it on their first PC's.

Bill is a rags to riches story from the bottom up.
Sure he's a globalist, so is his wife and I've heard her speak.

Let them live how they want to live..they've earned the right.
Well, no, Bill Gates was not born into "rags". He attended the prestigious Lakeside school in Seattle and his parents were not anywhere close to being at the "poverty level".

Self made man, yes; rags to riches, no, not even close.

 
Old 12-06-2010, 01:24 PM
 
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In what sense are those "American jobs"?

MS is a multi-national corporation, owned by people from all over the world, ran by people from all over the world, who employs people from all of the world, and the customers are from all over the world.
It's indicative of a close minded way of thinking. If you want see an American company go to your local small time auto repair shops, barber shop, dry cleaner or baker.

Once a company expands to a certain size IT IS NO LONGER AN AMERICAN COMPANY IF IT STARTS DOING BUSINESS AND INVESTING OVERSEAS. When a companies reaches this stage it seeks out profits and investment opportunities anywhere on the globe where it can find them.
 
Old 12-06-2010, 01:28 PM
 
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Billy boy should put his money in his own country.
It his money should do with it whatever he wants. It's a free country. What right do you have to tell somebody else what to do with their money?
 
Old 12-06-2010, 01:32 PM
 
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I don't want to read 5 pages of thread to see if this has already been brought up but:

1) Bill Gates is retired. He has no influence over Microsoft anymore. This is why he was pushing for a state income tax up here in Washington this year - because it would have resulted in property taxes dropping by 20%, which would help him immensely, seeing as how he has no income but has a house the size of a small city.

2) Microsoft isn't so much guilty of outsourcing work as they are of INSOURCING work. They abuse the H1(b) program pretty extensively. If you walk around Red West, the main campus, or even go through their skyscrapers in Bellevue, it's like walking into Mumbai. Given that unemployment is pushing 10%, I find it hard to believe that Microsoft couldn't find a local worker in Seattle to do whatever job is being done. Meanwhile, all of the "true locals", for lack of a better word, are the ones walking around with the orange badges (vendors, temps, aka "dash trash" because of the a- or v- that has to go in front of their names on emails).
 
Old 12-06-2010, 01:32 PM
 
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Billy boy should put his money in his own country.
He has. Hundreds of schools in low income school districts have received computers and software as a result of Bill Gate's philanthropy.

How can people not know that?
 
Old 12-06-2010, 01:41 PM
 
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I don't want to read 5 pages of thread to see if this has already been brought up but:

1) Bill Gates is retired. He has no influence over Microsoft anymore. This is why he was pushing for a state income tax up here in Washington this year - because it would have resulted in property taxes dropping by 20%, which would help him immensely, seeing as how he has no income but has a house the size of a small city.

2) Microsoft isn't so much guilty of outsourcing work as they are of INSOURCING work. They abuse the H1(b) program pretty extensively. If you walk around Red West, the main campus, or even go through their skyscrapers in Bellevue, it's like walking into Mumbai. Given that unemployment is pushing 10%, I find it hard to believe that Microsoft couldn't find a local worker in Seattle to do whatever job is being done. Meanwhile, all of the "true locals", for lack of a better word, are the ones walking around with the orange badges (vendors, temps, aka "dash trash" because of the a- or v- that has to go in front of their names on emails).
Again it's a free country. Coingress has given Microsoft the right to have H1-B immigrants. If Microsoft has the right to hire foreign workers and it wants to hire foreign workers it should be able to do so.
 
Old 12-06-2010, 01:50 PM
 
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It his money should do with it whatever he wants. It's a free country. What right do you have to tell somebody else what to do with their money?
If we could only apply this to taxation, healthcare, and federal spending debates!
 
Old 12-06-2010, 02:01 PM
 
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Again it's a free country. Coingress has given Microsoft the right to have H1-B immigrants. If Microsoft has the right to hire foreign workers and it wants to hire foreign workers it should be able to do so.
You need to educate yourself as to what an H1(b) visa is. They are ONLY to be granted on a TEMPORARY basis to companies who make a good faith effort to TRY and find a local, domestic worker to do a job, but are unable to do so.

H1(b)'s were fine in 2000 when if you had a pulse, you had an IT job because there was such a shortage. But in this day and age for a company like Microsoft to go to the government and say "welp we tried, but we couldn't find a SINGLE unemployed techie anywhere in Seattle. Darnedest thing, huh? Can we please have an H1(b) token?" is fraudulent to the extreme. So is their assertion that they are following H1(b) rules by paying the imported worker a prevailing wage for the job as they would a domestic worker, because the whole reason they do it is so they can pay some guy from India 35 grand a year to come here and code software, whereas the prevailing wage amongst realists in the industry would be at least 95k for the same job.
 
Old 12-06-2010, 03:18 PM
 
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Bill Gates is retired. He has no influence over Microsoft anymore. This is why he was pushing for a state income tax up here in Washington this year - because it would have resulted in property taxes dropping by 20%, which would help him immensely, seeing as how he has no income but has a house the size of a small city.
Bingo!
 
Old 12-06-2010, 03:34 PM
 
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The Gates Foundation has quickly become a major influence upon global health; the approximately US$800 million that the foundation gives every year for global health approaches the annual budget of the United Nations World Health Organization (193 nations)

Jesus, Bill. 4/5ths of a billion for world health is all you can spare?

You suck, man.
You obviously haven't read the story of his rise to riches. Did he rise to riches on the merit of something like curing cancer, or even inventing DOS? Nope. He didn't invent anything, or come up with any innovations. He simply made a deal with IBM when they first invented the PC to provide an operating system (OS) for their personal computers. He didn't even have one already (though he claimed he did): he hired someone else to create DOS and gave them pennies (as usual, the real innovators never get rewarded in our economic system). DOS, as we now know, was not user-friendly in the least. His only clever move was to retain a big share of ownership of the OS, so that when PCs went big every computer owner had to give him a big cut. IBM was beyond stupid to not simply buy the OS outright, or to just have their own people write an OS. But Big Corporations are typically stupid on a massive scale.

When Steve Jobs and Apple did actually innovate and create a superior OS, what did Gates do? He copied the look. Everyone was so thrilled with how good "Windows" was, when every Mac user knew it was poor and very glitchy imitation of their innovative and user-friendly system.

I think far more of Steve Jobs than I do of Bill Gates. Of course, I still believe in the ridiculous notion that merit should be rewarded, rather than taking advantage of other people's work, giving them virtually nothing, and becoming super-rich as a result.
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