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Oh, gimme a break! For one thing, you really need to read up on labor relation history. Working conditions were terrible for just about everyone before unions. There was no option to "find a job somewhere else" b/c conditions were bad everywhere.
I am shocked that anyone could post that with a straight face. You were laughing, right?
I am totally against unions and they have been the downfall of a lot of buisnesses. The time and place for Unions is gone/over!
Wow, just wow! That is why we have unions, b/c business owners said and practiced that kind of crap.
Soooo it's not someone's own fault for staying at a job that treats them unfairly? Wow, just wow. But honestly, every time I agree with you or give you credit for making a good point, you have to find *something* within my statement to start a problem with. I don't get it. I guess I'll just have to stop responding to you when you do this so we can stop nitpicking at each other. It's pointless and derails the thread.
Some regulation is necessary, I agree. But if someone wants to work in an unsafe place or work for a place that has unfair labor practices, that's their problem and they are free to leave.
That type of logic reminds me of the communists I used to engage in conversations decades ago.
This is a complete denial of reality in exchange for ideological values.
I'm sorry I don't agree with everything you say, andrea, or maybe I should say I'm sorry you don't agree with me on everything.
In regard to unions, the power of a group is a lot stronger than the power of one person quitting a job. Unions formed in response to unsafe labor conditions, not b/c some people just felt like starting a new social club. All of you who think they are useless need to read up on labor relations. It was not all kissy-face prior to unions, with benevolent business owners. Do you think people didn't just up and quit in the days before unions? The owners thought, "so what?" There was always someone else to replace them.
Here's something about the benevolent coal mine owners in my state: Ludlow Massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The Ludlow Massacre refers to the violent deaths of 19 people[1]:42 during an attack by the Colorado National Guard on a tent colony of 1,200 striking coal miners and their families at Ludlow, Colorado on April 20, 1914. The deaths occurred after a day-long fight between strikers and the Guard. Two women and eleven children were asphyxiated and burned to death.
Here's one that happened just a few miles from my home: Columbine Mine massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The first Columbine Massacre, sometimes called the Columbine Mine massacre to distinguish it from the Columbine High School massacre, occurred in 1927, in the town of Serene, Colorado. A fight broke out between Colorado state police and a group of striking coal miners, during which the unarmed miners were attacked with machine guns
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I'm sorry I don't agree with everything you say, andrea.
In regard to unions, the power of a group is a lot stronger than the power of one person quitting a job. Unions formed in response to unsafe labor conditions, not b/c some people just felt like starting a new social club. All of you who think they are useless need to read up on labor relations. It was not all kissy-face prior to unions, with benevolent business owners. Do you think people didn't do that in the days before unions?
Here's something about the benevolent coal mine owners in my state: Ludlow Massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The Ludlow Massacre refers to the violent deaths of 19 people[1]:42 during an attack by the Colorado National Guard on a tent colony of 1,200 striking coal miners and their families at Ludlow, Colorado on April 20, 1914. The deaths occurred after a day-long fight between strikers and the Guard. Two women and eleven children were asphyxiated and burned to death.
Here's one that happened just a few miles from my home: Columbine Mine massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The first Columbine Massacre, sometimes called the Columbine Mine massacre to distinguish it from the Columbine High School massacre, occurred in 1927, in the town of Serene, Colorado. A fight broke out between Colorado state police and a group of striking coal miners, during which the unarmed miners were attacked with machine guns
It is not that people are not aware of the past, but they deliberately choose to ignore it if it is in contradiction with their simplistic and usually self serving vision of what a society should be.
That type of logic reminds me of the communists I used to engage in conversations decades ago.
This is a complete denial of reality in exchange for ideological values.
I'm sorry I don't agree with everything you say, andrea, or maybe I should say I'm sorry you don't agree with me on everything.
In regard to unions, the power of a group is a lot stronger than the power of one person quitting a job. Unions formed in response to unsafe labor conditions, not b/c some people just felt like starting a new social club. All of you who think they are useless need to read up on labor relations. It was not all kissy-face prior to unions, with benevolent business owners. Do you think people didn't just up and quit in the days before unions? The owners thought, "so what?" There was always someone else to replace them.
Here's something about the benevolent coal mine owners in my state: Ludlow Massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The Ludlow Massacre refers to the violent deaths of 19 people[1]:42 during an attack by the Colorado National Guard on a tent colony of 1,200 striking coal miners and their families at Ludlow, Colorado on April 20, 1914. The deaths occurred after a day-long fight between strikers and the Guard. Two women and eleven children were asphyxiated and burned to death.
Here's one that happened just a few miles from my home: Columbine Mine massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The first Columbine Massacre, sometimes called the Columbine Mine massacre to distinguish it from the Columbine High School massacre, occurred in 1927, in the town of Serene, Colorado. A fight broke out between Colorado state police and a group of striking coal miners, during which the unarmed miners were attacked with machine guns
What does this have to do with 2010? How are unions of benefit today, aside from negotiating outrageous salaries and benefits? When unions strike, there is often property damage and destruction, they would rather take the whole company down (and their source of income) than negotiate peacefully or just stick it out and look for another job. My grandpa used to work for Eastern Airlines and lost his job when the company folded...due to a union strike (he was NOT a part of the union). Unions are completely self-serving in this day and age when we are free to move from job to job if we don't like the way we're being treated. It's not fair to the other employees to force a company into bankruptcy just b/c a few people are pissy. Then EVERYONE is out of a job.
No need for fake apologies. Just quit picking apart literally everything I say when I'm agreeing with you! If I'm disagreeing, go ahead and pick all you want. But don't start a fight where there isn't one to be had.
Do you really believe that workers are "free to leave" a job because it is dangerous or unhealthy.
This is such an abstract and litterally absurd vision.
I am sorry to say, but the conditions under which people have to work and survive to make a living is not something you can apprehend over a tea room discussion.
Do you really believe that workers are "free to leave" a job because it is dangerous or unhealthy.
This is such an abstract and litterally absurd vision.
I am sorry to say, but the conditions under which people have to work and survive to make a living is not something you can apprehend over a tea room discussion.
You're saying I do not have the right to go look for another job if I stop liking mine? It happens on a daily basis in this country. I don't even know how to respond to this crap. Unless you are bound by contract, and in most cases, you're not, you can leave at any time. Don't like it? Leave and find somewhere that will treat you better. If you can't find something, keep looking. If you still can't find anything, reevaluate the situation and see if you can wait it out. If you can't, get the courts involved. It doesn't seem that hard to me and it definitely does not sound like anything a commie would say.
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Unions are hurting businesses.
Unless you are bound by contract, and in most cases, you're not, you can leave at any time. Don't like it? Leave and find somewhere that will treat you better. If you can't find something, keep looking. If you still can't find anything, reevaluate the situation and see if you can wait it out. If you can't, get the courts involved. It doesn't seem that hard to me and it definitely does not sound like anything a commie would say. 