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Old 11-19-2010, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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IPCC Official: (http://thegwpf.org/ipcc-news/1877-ipcc-official-climate-policy-is-redistributing-the-worlds-wealth.html - broken link)

Not a surprise to anyone who has paid attention.

Sonntag: "The new thing about your proposal for a Global Deal is the stress on the importance of development policy for climate policy. Until now, many think of aid when they hear development policies."

Edenhofer: "That will change immediately if global emission rights are distributed. If this happens, on a per capita basis, then Africa will be the big winner, and huge amounts of money will flow there. This will have enormous implications for development policy. And it will raise the question if these countries can deal responsibly with so much money at all.

First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole."
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Old 11-19-2010, 09:18 AM
 
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First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community.
Bingo! The liberal mindset speaks. These people have to be defeated.
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Old 11-19-2010, 09:22 AM
 
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Let's hear the spin Lefties! Let's hear how this guy is a wacko or paid off by big oil! Come on now, I know you guys have it in you!
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Old 11-19-2010, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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The statement is correct. We can get away with the expropriation of the atmosphere without paying anything because nobody has any property right in the atmosphere. If the atmosphere was owned by, say the entire world, they could charge the sources for the emitted pollution.

This is the economic problem described in the "Tragedy of the Commons" wherein the commons is destroyed by overgrazing because the individual that uses it the most makes the most profit. This continues until there is no grazing left and everyone loses. The atmosphere and the seas are just a bigger commons.

You wanted a Leftist Liberal answer well there it is. Straight out of a basic economics book.
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Old 11-19-2010, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Bingo! The liberal mindset speaks. These people have to be defeated.
This is exactly what these libs speak of when they talk about climate and social justice.
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Old 11-19-2010, 09:42 AM
 
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This is exactly what these libs speak of when they talk about climate and social justice.
ALL Communist policies are cloaked in sugary sweetness to fool the useful idiots. Then they become slaves to the masses.
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Old 11-19-2010, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Finally, they admit it.

This is NO surprise to SOME of us.
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Old 11-19-2010, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Finally, they admit it.

This is NO surprise to SOME of us.
The entire scam is falling apart, even the Chicago climate Exchange, that al Gore was heavily invested in has collapsed.
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Old 11-19-2010, 05:58 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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But the countries are still demanding their money.
And China and India don't want to be included with the "developed" countries.

It's a mess and there's nothing GREEN about this; they just want $$$$$
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Old 11-19-2010, 06:46 PM
 
Location: NC
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But the countries are still demanding their money.
And China and India don't want to be included with the "developed" countries.

It's a mess and there's nothing GREEN about this; they just want $$$$$
Global BS has always been about green. Green $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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