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Old 11-20-2010, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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That's WHY weren't doing it. If China can manipulate currencies to their advantage, why can't we?
becuase of debt and no assets means the money is worthless
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Old 11-20-2010, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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I find it ironic that the people who are admonishing the FED for implementing quantitative easing would suggest they continue to do it to address Chinese currency undervaluation.

China is the straw that stirs the world’s economic drink right now. That's why there is a lot of talking and posturing but very little ACTION. Nobody including the United States wants to feel the wrath of a Chinese economic retaliation. Also do you REALLY think that American corporations are going to go along with any plans that would threaten their market access to China. After all they brought and paid for politicians in Washington to do their bidding.

I got to hand to the Chinese they are in the process of becoming the most powerful nation on the planet without firing a single shot at a foreign country.
yes in a way the us will still have it's miltary might but it will become like england after ww2 with less influence on the world
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Old 11-20-2010, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Texas
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becuase of debt and no assets means the money is worthless
A fiat currency, which we have (so do most other, if not all, countries), is backed by nothing more than two things:

1. A willingness to take it and,

2. Debt.

Our money has literally no value unless it IS owed to someone who will take it in exchange for the debt.
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Old 11-20-2010, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Texas
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yes in a way the us will still have it's miltary might but it will become like england after ww2 with less influence on the world

A healthy economy and military power are interconnected. Any large army is useless if you can't afford to train, equip and use it.

Wars are won as much by dollars as they are troops.
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Old 11-20-2010, 09:28 AM
 
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We might as well start trying to understand that by giving China all of our manufacturing, and then buying anything they decide to sell here, that we've become THEIR handmaiden -- or should I say "indentured servant."

We'd be better off pulling our manufacturing home, putting people to work, cleaning up our substance abuse problems, stopping the wars on everything, and start minding our own business.
The glass NY is going to use for the New WTC building
will be imported from China.

The paddle we would use in the wood shed to give China a spanking is probably made in China as well

Sad really.
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Old 11-20-2010, 09:56 AM
 
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Isn't that exactly what Obama's been trying to do, especially during his trip to the Far East?
Is he bombing the schit outa Pakistan to please India to replace China as America's Walmart producer?

Seems he was only aggrandizing the Muslims in India and not the Hindus.

Well hell, who gives a schit about riffraff.

Maybe the Muslims are going to take America back from the Chinese.
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Old 11-20-2010, 09:58 AM
 
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We can't act like a victim. When you enable a country like China to exploit us then whose fault is it? Our companies outsource jobs to China. It's not like China put a gun to our heads and forced us to outsource jobs to them. U.S. companies get greedy and outsource jobs to China so that it's rich executives can make even more money at the expense of laying off U.S. workers. Companies then come up with this b.s. reason of "Well we can't compete if we don't hire foreign workers" No, they would still make money hiring U.S. employees but just not as much if they hired foreign one but to them they don't care if they lay off 5,000 U.S. employees if it means their VP's can make an additional million dollars a year.

We need to stop blaming other people for our problems and tackle this problem from within. Our government needs to put a stop to outsourcing by placing tarriffs on imported goods and giving tax breaks to companies who hire U.S. employees so that companies begin to start bringing jobs back home. Obama actually promised the tax breaks when he campaigned for President years ago but like so many of his promises, he allowed it to fall through the cracks once he got elected and didn't care any longer.
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Old 11-20-2010, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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The last time any occupant of the White House initiated a trade war via installing the use of tariffs, the result was a substantial worsening and lengthening of the Great Depression.

They called him FDR.
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Old 11-20-2010, 10:26 AM
 
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We'd be better off pulling our manufacturing home, putting people to work, cleaning up our substance abuse problems, stopping the wars on everything, and start minding our own business.
That is the right solution. The problem is our politicians are bought by big corporations and this goes for Republicans and Democrats. Corporate America pays the lobbyists, the lobbyists pay politicians in some form or another and then the politicians enact laws that favor Corporate America. President George W. Bush even advocated and openly supported outsourcing by claiming it opened markets.

We can't improve our economy through smoke and mirrors. Devaluing currency etc is not going to create jobs. We need to simply pull our manufacturing home and create jobs and people will automatically spend money and stir our economy. But when people lack jobs, nothing is going to fix that.
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Old 11-20-2010, 10:29 AM
 
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The last time any occupant of the White House initiated a trade war via installing the use of tariffs, the result was a substantial worsening and lengthening of the Great Depression.

They called him FDR.
That would make sense if the economy and the global scene was exactly that of the FDR era. Sorry but you can't apply that logic to today's scenario.
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