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Many incoming House Republicans say they want to repeal large chunks of the new federal health care law. But much of the health care industry supported the law and, as NPR's Julie Rovner tells host Scott Simon, they still do. That could complicate the GOP's campaign for repeal.
Given the fact that the Tea Party supporters want real health care reform, not a health care industry windfall like we just saw Democrats pass against the American people... the HC industry is going to fight Tea Party supported Republicans no matter what they come up with. Will Democrats continue to fight to give more money to the HC industry or will they wake up and fight for the people they're supposed to serve?
...and if they do it the right way, tort reform will get a lot of flak from the lawyer lobbyists
Your answer makes no sense, like you're listening to a different channel... Are you OK... I'm worried..
I know that to you it makes no sense but...
Once upon a time in the land of the not so free, black people were kept as chattel slaves, on white men with property could vote, workers organizing into unions was considered a conspiracy, children worked in mines and factories when they were as young as 5 and 6. Now all of that is changed but it didn't happen over night nor did it happen without momentary setbacks.
Many incoming House Republicans say they want to repeal large chunks of the new federal health care law. But much of the health care industry supported the law and, as NPR's Julie Rovner tells host Scott Simon, they still do. That could complicate the GOP's campaign for repeal.
They should read former CIGNA exec Wendell Potter's explanation about how the Tea _______ got taken to the cleaners.
By the way, I'm told that I don't read or listen so perhaps you've read or listened to the Tea _______ healthcare proposal.
Very interesting read.
The problem for the industry, their lobbyists and for the Republicans is that those "pesky" consumer protections are genuinely popular. They go after them at their electoral peril always provided the President and the Democrats have the testicular fortitude to fight it.
Well that's breaking news since I have NEVER read a single healthcare proposal or a single blithering idea come out of the mouths of the Teabaggers regarding healthcare other than death panels and the onset of socialism.
That's not my fault. There were tons of other ideas being thrown around while the Democrats were having their closed door meetings trying to figure out how to pass the trashy Obamacare bill that they forced through. Keep in mind, when the POS bill was passed the Tea Party didn't have much if any power in government like they do now. The Tea Party didn't have anyone in Congress to bring up any alternative plans or ideas, not like the idiots on the left would have listened anyway. They had their plan to funnel billions to the HC industry and they were going to do it no matter what it took.
It's no surprise why the HC industry will fight real reform, the current bill was a windfall for them.
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OK, ya got my attention, I'm listening, go for it. I'm all ears.
The tea Party wants to lower the debt and reduce the size of the Federal government.
Here's a couple examples for you.
ERISA laws, put in by our ever encroaching Federal Government, have taken states rights away. Claimants cannot sue insurance companies for more than the damages. Those companies have little incentive to pay out since IF the claimant is still alive the most they'll get is the cost of the original claim plus attorney and court costs. Government set this up.
Companies cannot compete out of state. This reduces competition. Stay with me now, this means prices stay high and quality is lower than in a free market system. Government set this up.
Try getting your info from a different source. Go into the "enemy" camp if you want to hear what they actually want instead of a sound bite or a made up drama queen quote.
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Well that's breaking news since I have NEVER read a single healthcare proposal or a single blithering idea come out of the mouths of the Teabaggers regarding healthcare other than death panels and the onset of socialism.
Tea Party is the name, and they want to lower the debt and reduce the size of the Federal government.
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The health industry and all of the other players involved with health care in this country actually like most of the health reform law. The health reform law is not a government takeover of health care, its a corporate takeover of health care.
The supreme court actually probably just helped protect the health reform law from being repealed because now corporations can give unlimited funds to candidates and political parties who are going to save the health reform law from repeal. The health industry stands to gain another 30 million customers, they will fight to protect that new business model that health reform just gave them.
Getting rid of the 1099 provision of the bill, is simply a diversion. The 1099's are in the Law to help generate funds to pay for the extension of covered people. It would rquire companies to create documentation of payments to people for $500 or less. There are a large number of people recieving these payments, specifically kept below the threshold to avoid taxes on that income. If it were occurring very infrequently, that might not be so much of a problem. But, it happens many time throughout the year. Now, you may object to people being taxed on their legitimate, but I don't object to that. The addition funds gained from this would help in covering some of the cost of the new system. It would create an additional burden on the companies, so the question is, is it worth that. Or could there be an electronic method of reporting that transaction, so that it wouldn't be a huge burden? I don't know, it would need to be evaluated.
A) You're wrong on what the requirement is. A 1099 would have to be filed for every entity - whether it be an individual or a business - that you'd paid a total of $600 or more to in a calendar year.
B) You have NO idea how huge the impact of that would be.
For instance, I already work 12-14 hours per day during the week, and put in time to catch up with paperwork (10 hours yesterday) on the weekends. There's no way I would have the time to deal with it. That provision would force us to hire an accountant, which could easily be expensive enough to put us out of business. And we're just a small, simple business with very few expenses. Imagine what the burden would be to a large company with a large mobile workforce. Can you imagine having to require that your salespeople, mobile techs, etc. get EINs from every fast food joint they buy a taco from, or every Starbucks they get a coffee at? It's a requirement that's literally impossible for most businesses to meet.
The income in question is already required to be reported, and is already taxed. This remarkable burden that the Obama administration has put on businesses is tantamount to accusing us ALL of being tax cheats. Guilty until proven innocent, and oh yeah, it's going to cost you a bundle in time and money to provide the "proof" that you're not.
It's an absolutely insane requirement; everybody knows it, and it WILL be removed.
Who will win out in the battle against health reform, the tea party/conservative base of the Republican Party or the Health Industry?
My thoughts are that Republicans will make a show of trying to repeal health reform, but will fail and then present the effort as a way to throw a bone to the base and then work to reshape health reform to benefit the health industry and businesses. I'm already hearing talk about getting rid of the 1099 sections of the bill or altering it, both Democrats and Republicans are in agreement on that provision. This will be interesting to watch.
The Republicans don't have 60 votes in the Senate much less the 66 needed to over ride a Presidential veto nor 2/3rds even in the house so of course it won't get over turned. How people can miss such obvious things is beyond me.
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