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No, you're wrong. Go look it up. Actually just read what I posted. Why must you argue facts? It only makes you look silly. Biden said himself that when ******** brought the Patriot Act to Bush, it was HIS (Biden's) bill. Reading comprehension is your friend. Second of all, Bills don't get written by the Justice Department, they get written by Congress.
You obviously have no idea, just like Biden what you're talking about. Biden introduced the bill, that was the extent of his involvement. The 1995 bill was for counter terrorism and DEPORTATION of those illegally in the country, by information gathered by US sources that would not have to be presented to the accused. Expansion of wiretap powers, FISA powers, eavesdropping powers, all to deport and gather evidence not to be revealed to those be deported w/ connections to "terrorism".
I must argue opinions and spin, your spin disguised as your "facts" is just that...spin. Reading...comprehension...I do not think those words mean what YOU think they mean. Obviously.
And you should really read the bills, not just the cherry picked info on extremist radio. It really helps w/ that embarrassment factor.
I am against the Patriot Act. I think it infringes on the rights of US citizens in ways it should not be intended. Why should they be able to read my email?
They were reading your email, monitoring cell phones and the internet with Echelon, which was during the Clinton years
When you voted the guy who wrote it into the VP spot in the WH? Don't you fools feel really dumb now blaming Bush for this when it was one of your Progressive heros that actually wrote it? It just makes sense, Progressives are ALL about nabbing freedoms, power and control, but are too ideological to see it or admit it. Sneaky snakes!
You obviously have no idea, just like Biden what you're talking about. Biden introduced the bill, that was the extent of his involvement. The 1995 bill was for counter terrorism and DEPORTATION of those illegally in the country, by information gathered by US sources that would not have to be presented to the accused. Expansion of wiretap powers, FISA powers, eavesdropping powers, all to deport and gather evidence not to be revealed to those be deported w/ connections to "terrorism".
I must argue opinions and spin, your spin disguised as your "facts" is just that...spin. Reading...comprehension...I do not think those words mean what YOU think they mean. Obviously.
And you should really read the bills, not just the cherry picked info on extremist radio. It really helps w/ that embarrassment factor.
The truth is this: Politicians like power. When Bush was going crazy with his expansion of Executive power, i remember asking EVERY conservative i know personally if they'd be comfortable giving this same power to Hillary Clinton, and i never got a clear answer. Fact is, at that time they thought that the Repubs would be in power for the next 20-30 years...that was the plan. So it was inconceivable that an Obama or Hillary would have these runaway powers within their purview at some point.
Obama is just like any other politician. How anyone ever thought that he'd mitigate powers handed over to him by a Republican president goes over my head. It was never gonna happen. When it was time to reauthorize the P.A., i knew he'd go for it with gusto. Yes, it was disappointing, but definitely not unprecedented. Just like these wars...he's already waffled on Afghanistan a bit, but i'm looking back at the things he said as Candidate Obama and i now realize that i should've known better than to think he was a dove.
Sometimes we look at politicians and believe things about them that are in direct contravention to what they actually say about themselves. I'm sure that if folks had read between the lines, they would've realized that the P.A. wasn't going anywhere under an Obama administration.
The better question is why don't all Americans hate the "Patriot" Act?
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