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He's definitely prejudiced against the long term unemployed. "The $250K people may now need to make $100K and the $100K people $50K.". This shows you how the kind of reasoning this guy has. When he's >50 and unemployed, he'll sing a totally different song.
And he wants to help us put together a resume??? I'd love to see his resume to begin with.
His user ID is enough for me to completely ignore him.
If folks like you started thinking of and considering the unemployed as a valued, untapped resource instead of a piece of trash there wouldn’t be so many people out of work.
I think the OP was trying to make a point that others feel this way, not himself or herself. It is true, there are those that view the unemployed as "trash." Despite the fact, that many of the unemployed are desperate for any kind of work. Many unemployed have worked hard all their lives and suddenly found themselves in the wrong place at the wrong time when the recession hit. I know I was worried my paycheck would bounce prior to being laid off.
The employed were just simply working for companies with profits at the time or simply had enough seniority to avoid a layoff. Their skills are no better than ours. They just got lucky.
I think people have less compassion for the unemployed than they do for 25 year old on SSDI for a back condition who is outside playing basketball and skateboarding. In America, we seem to hate the unemployed, but we're okay with the 25 year old cheating the SSDI.
I think you misunderstood the OP. He was just stating an observation...that the unemployed have a stigma much like welfare recipients, if not worse. I didn't see where he was calling anyone on UI "trash".
It’s obvious there are sad individuals out there that not only hate the unemployed but feel a perverted need to look down upon them as well. The OP provided no links to support his statement and aside from his posting I am unaware of this so-called new “stigma.” It fails to help the job seeker already struggling through hard times looking endlessly for jobs that aren’t there.
They now have to pay for their own medical , car payments, rent or mortgage, groceries. gas for car, heat etc. Welfare is not the same thing. It is so far from it that people who think it is the same are very ignorant and should keep their mouths closed.
Right. Where exactly do the haters think UE money goes anyway? We’re paying our mortgages, car payments, bills, utilities, taxes, etc. and barely keeping our heads above water. These folks reveal their true ignorance of what it is actually like to be without a job in a bad economy like this and how frustrating it is looking for work 7 days a week.
It’s obvious there are sad individuals out there that not only hate the unemployed but feel a perverted need to look down upon them as well. The OP provided no links to support his statement and aside from his posting I am unaware of this so-called new “stigma.” It fails to help the job seeker already struggling through hard times looking endlessly for jobs that aren’t there.
This forum isn't so bad and the mods keep it in check anyway, but any threads on P&C forum regarding UE benefits attract the "bashers" like flies to a dung pile.
I googled around a little bit and came up empty handed. If there were any links to substantiate this story the OP would be able to provide them otherwise its nothing more than unsubstantiated hogwash.
This forum isn't so bad and the mods keep it in check anyway, but any threads on P&C forum regarding UE benefits attract the "bashers" like flies to a dung pile.
For some it now seems to be a new form of "sport"
Yes I’ve noticed this too mainly from frustrated, small minded, and bitter personalities with poor self images such that they get off by tearing others down and trying their best to make the unemployed feel worse than they already do. There also seems to be a peculiar touch of envy or jealousy behind the bashing and negativity as well.
It's all about perspective - They cannot fathom the realities of what they are not experiencing.
When one of us says "Damn, there's no jobs and I can't land even a minimum wage job" They see it as us being lazy. The reality is that Damn... there's no jobs and I can't even get a minimum wage job!
Many good reasons for that, and one of the biggest being that many of us unemployed were prior upper middle class families who have college degrees, experience, etc. This causes a problem of being overqualified for the jobs like McDonalds, Walmart, or even the gas stations (and trust me, this is a reality - no one wants to hire someone with a degree and experience who will up and leave when something better comes along. We've been told so ourselves). On the opposite side being educated and having experience gives us stiff competition for the other 14 million of us that are looking for work.
For example, I try to get rough numbers of applicants on every job I apply for. For the most part I can get those numbers out of talking nice with HR. I have yet to apply for a job below 50 applicants (and this includes minimum wage jobs), and the majority of jobs within my skills, education, and experience have 100+ applicants.
This would lead an intelligent person to deduce that there are not enough jobs for the amount of workers out there, and many of us (millions to be exact) are left floating around stuck in limbo without the ability to get a job - the odds are quite stacked against us despite our best attempts. At this point it is a numbers game, and more like playing the lottery. Do the math over a year of applications vs. the number of qualified applicants per job and you will see it is all based upon luck in getting the job.
That being said, the only thing that will fuel a real recovery will be continuing unemployment benefits (among other things below) until the unemployment rate gets below X%, or a steady, real growth in the economy and employment is shown over four quarters.
What will do that? For one, extending the tax cuts that are already in place will be a tremendous help to businesses - large and small. No business is willing to invest money in new hires, new clients, new equipment, etc. if they know that right off the bat at 12:01 on January first they're going to be paying more in taxes.
Second, as said above, extend the UIB. There are 14 million unemployed and even if only HALF (at the sake of pandering to these people) are seeking work proactively that is 7 million people that depend on their benefits from week to week to live and get by. Many have already sold or lost their houses, many more (millions again) could lose their houses by the inability to make their payments if UIB is cut. This means that foreclosures would skyrocket again. This doesn't even take into account all other bills that are paid by people on UIB or all of the usual services that they pay for as well.
No one is living high off of the hog on UIB - no way in hell, I hate to break the reality to those who say otherwise.
Third. Stop pushing any and all new bills outside of really really pushing along a recovery. That means no health related bills, no amnesty bills, and no bills that do not help the American worker or American businesses. The reality is that our current president should have been thinking about the American Workers and American businesses the past two years instead of health care, green jobs, bailouts, and wreckless spending on ridiculous earmarks that have done nothing to improve our economy. This isn't a political thing at all - but a common sense thing - don't spend on what you really don't need. You need to invest in the American worker, and you need to invest in the American business for the economy to grow - all else is but fluff and additions not needed at the time to ensure out economic stability.
Lastly, if we make it out of this I hope that hard feelings don't exist between Americans who were on unemployment and Americans who were lucky enough to keep their jobs. We are kind of seeing that in some places with employers discriminating against long term unemployed but I hope this is not a lasting trend that we will see. We are all Americans, and we all need each others help in this economic situation. This is a situation unlike we have seen for decades - almost a century, and the reality is that if we don't stand together and help one another out we will crumble and fall apart.
To those reading this that are anti UIB - think of the above, and remember that UIB is not welfare. Those on UIB WANT to work and NEED to work. None of us who made great money before enjoy receiving benefits and receiving so little that we do. As a matter of fact we hate it, just as much as you would should the need arise. So please, be a little more respecting and understanding and that we want this country to prosper as much as you. We are you. Each and every one of you working today could be in our shoes. Sit back and really think about what it would mean if you lost your job today, everything that would come with it. Now think about if there were no jobs, and what we say is real (and it is). What would you do? How would you feel if people attacked you and called you lazy because you don't have a job even though you were a previous hard worker and still are but just can't get that job?
I have no facts or links, just general opinion at least from what I've seen and heard. I was also unemployed and on unemployment for a few months so I get the struggle. The general consensus from what I hear on the radio and in the workplace, from what I read(online and in blogs) and from what I see just out and about.
I see a loathing of the unemployed. People generally look down on you and most assume you are just leaching off the system, which is what welfare recipients dealt with before unemployment became such a crisis.
And now since unemployment is the big dog right now, it has surpassed welfare in negative views among Americans. You will get more of a negative reaction if you tell someone you are on unemployment than if you were on welfare. They don't understand and they don't care to understand. They simply just don't like you for gaming the system in there opinion. That is the popular sentiment around here.
This isn't taking a stand or stating an opinion.
This is how it is. How America in 2010 views the unemployed, at least from my observations.
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