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Whether or not there is lawful money, there is money and it works as if it were lawful. Who would take your land for revenue enhancement? What do you mean by that? Foreclosure?
Don't police, investigators, fire fighters etc. have the right to enter your property against your will, if necessary?
You know, the times have changed. I read somewhere that in the Wild West (even if it was not as wild as people think) you could legally shoot someone who stole your horse. If you do that today, you would probably go to jail
I guess your country has undergone a civilization process like any other country in the course of its history. What was once OK, no longer is and vice versa.
Whether or not there is lawful money, there is money and it works as if it were lawful. Who would take your land for revenue enhancement? What do you mean by that? Foreclosure?
Don't police, investigators, fire fighters etc. have the right to enter your property against your will, if necessary?
You know, the times have changed. I read somewhere that in the Wild West (even if it was not as wild as people think) you could legally shoot someone who stole your horse. If you do that today, you would probably go to jail
I guess your country has undergone a civilization process like any other country in the course of its history. What was once OK, no longer is and vice versa.
1. No, it does not work as "lawful money". Please read law. If you can find any law that supports your position, feel free to upload it.
2. No entry upon private property is lawful, absent a constitutional warrant. (See 4th amendment). However, since 1935, most Americans surrendered their right to own private property, and merely hold qualified ownership of estate (real estate) - which is not constitutionally protected.
3. One can still defend private property with deadly force. But subject socialists who only have custody of estate, cannot use deadly force, anymore.
4. Socialism is enslavement to the collective and theft by government. If that is your idea of civilization, perhaps you'd enjoy being in 1845, as a Negro slave, in the southern states.
Homes remain a major part of many Americans' wealth -- households held $6.4 trillion of home equity at the end of the third quarter, according to a Federal Reserve report. "It's unfortunate because a lot of families have all their wealth in their house, all their savings," said Sinai. "Household spending in general is hurt. There's a restraint on consumer spending."
Most economists concede that a lasting general recovery is unlikely without a recovery in the housing market. A marked increase in defaults and foreclosures from today's already elevated levels could produce losses that overwhelm banks and trigger another, deeper financial crisis. Study after study has shown that defaults go up when falling prices put mortgage holders "underwater." As a result, the trajectory of home prices has tremendous economic significance.
... homes are still overvalued not just because of these long-term price trends, but from a sober analysis of the current economy. The country is overly indebted, savings-depleted and underemployed. Without government guarantees no private lenders would be active in the mortgage market, and without ridiculously low interest rates from the Federal Reserve any available credit would cost home buyers much more. These are not conditions that inspire confidence for a recovery in prices.
Pursuant to law, the national debt computes to 700 billion ounces of gold, stamped into coin.
Dollar bills, pursuant to Title 12 USC Sec. 411, are debt instruments (IOUs), and are NOT dollars, nor can they pay off the national debt. They are a minus value.
Pursuant to the 14th amendment, section 4, the validity of the impossible to repay public debt cannot be questioned, which may explain why no public servant dares to challenge it for fraud.
Remember, Congress has no power to CREATE money. If it did, why would it need the power to BORROW money? And if the national debt is a reflection on dollars borrowed, where's the gold lent to the Congress?
Fort Knox depository has only 147.4 million ounces.
World Wide supply (2009 est) is only 5.3 billion ounces.
Where is the 694.7 billion ounces of gold to substantiate the national debt?
A housing recovery should not be part of anyone's equation for a recovery in the economy because it has lots of room to fall :
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In January 1998 the 10-City Index was at 82.7. If home prices had followed the 3.35% annual 100 year trend line, then the index would have arrived at 126.7 in October 2010. This week, Case-Shiller announced that figure to be 159.0. This would suggest that the index would need to decline an additional 20.3% from current levels just to get back to the trend line.
Could this be the reason we have not seen a sharp decline heading back to the trend line ?
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How has the market found the strength to stop its descent? No one is making the case that fundamentals have improved. Instead, there is widespread agreement that government intervention stopped the free fall. The home buyer's tax credit, record low interest rates, government mortgage-assistance programs, and the increased presence of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and the Federal Housing Administration in the mortgage-buying business have, for now, put something of a floor under house prices. Without these artificial props, prices would have likely continued to fall.
"Federal Reserve notes are "backed" by all the goods and services in the economy."
According to Title 12 USC Sec. 411, 'dollar bills' are IOUs, denominated in dollars. But they were repudiated in 1933. They are worthless. But via FICA, all duly enrolled and enumerated Americans became collateral on the debt those notes represent.
How did Congress gain such a supreme power over our property and our labor?
Connecting the dots - - -
The U.S. government tricked Americans into surrendering their birthright and endowment from our Creator, in order to service the debt they incurred with usurers. Using the bribe of "entitlements", the "progressives" / collectivists formed an alliance with usurers (bankers) to "manage" the "human resources" (sheeple) and shear them without too much fuss.
You cannot "blame" the government, because the law is clear - it is voluntary servitude. Until you withdraw consent, you have no grounds to object.
Pragmatically speaking, the odds are against enough Americans withdrawing consent to effect meaningful change. That leaves the nation to careen into the chaos of economic collapse, political turmoil, and worse. Which brings us back to the original post: survive, thrive or die.
It's too late for partisan politics or individual effort to prevent the imminent collapse. So that leaves us with the challenge of preparation to deal with the collapse.
Yawn, same old BS from the farside. First off, get a clue, a Republic Is a form of Democracy, government 101. Secondly I see a lot of predictions based on the OPs fears and paranoia, nothing new there but as usual they go off the edge and as you can see they actually believe this stuff. This is what happens when people spend too much time reading extremists propaganda, all logical thinking take a backseat to irrational fears and paranoia.
Believe the paranoia all you wish, your life to waste living in fear but make no mistake this thread is nothing more than the ramblings from the far far right. And as always they will be shown to be wrong.
Casper
A housing recovery should not be part of anyone's equation for a recovery in the economy because it has lots of room to fall :
Could this be the reason we have not seen a sharp decline heading back to the trend line ?
It has to...too much is riding on that mortgage debt.
That's what sent us into this spiral, that's what got us bailed out, that's what's still lurking out there that has not been dealt with.
Yawn, same old BS from the farside. First off, get a clue, 1. a Republic Is a form of Democracy, government 101. Secondly I see a lot of predictions based on the OPs fears and paranoia, nothing new there but as usual they go off the edge and as you can see they actually believe this stuff. This is what happens when people spend too much time reading extremists propaganda, all logical thinking take a backseat to irrational fears and paranoia.
Believe the paranoia all you wish, your life to waste living in fear but make no mistake this thread is nothing more than the ramblings from the far far right. 2. And as always they will be shown to be wrong.
Casper
My apologies for disturbing your slumber...
1. A "republican form of government" is not a "republic", so stating that a "republic" is a form of democracy is not a rebuttal, but a deflection.
2. Please be so kind as to show which facts are in error. I do not claim infallibility, and may have made a mistake. Please present your supporting facts and references.
BTW - my favorite "extremist" propaganda reading material:
Declaration of Independence, 1776
Articles of Confederation, 1777
U.S. Constitution, 1787
Statutes
Simple questionnaire:
[1.] Do you have Creator endowed rights, or
[2.] Do you only have government endowed privileges?
According to the Declaration of Independence, it's #1.
According to the collectivists / progressives, it's #2.
Which is preferable?
A government that secures your rights to life, liberty and property, or a government that controls your life, liberty and property?
If that's still too hard to comprehend, how about this choice:
[a] Freedom (i.e., natural and personal liberty)
[b] Slavery (obligation to labor for the benefit of another)
[quote=jetgraphics;17340725]My apologies for disturbing your slumber...
1. A "republican form of government" is not a "republic", so stating that a "republic" is a form of democracy is not a rebuttal, but a deflection.
So let's get the background covered, fast.
[] USA was unique because of its republican form of government (people were sovereigns)
[] USA was infiltrated and slowly transformed into a democracyHow did I deflect what you stated above, You seem to think the Republic was transformed into a Democratic form of government. FYI we are not a true Democracy, only a small city state could do that since all the people need to vote on all actions taken, cannot work in the modern world at this time.
[] USA was further infiltrated and transformed into a socialist democracy, via consent, obtained by fraud (via FICA)I see you are against anything Socialist in leaning, I assume you are against SS, Medicare, Wellfare, Foodstamps, Public Education, good highways, ..... and the list goes on and on. I disagree there are many programs that have a place in our society and and yes we as a People have agreed to have them, a small minority may not want some or even any of them, but this a nation built on the idea of the greater good for all not just a handful that want to live the life of a backwoods trapper.
[] USA was bankrupted by usurers, reorganized to prosecute the bankruptcy against the peopleWell it seems like some have done very well and the vast majority are doing pretty good, especially if you compare them to the rest of the world.
[] USA has been "ruled" by the usurer / collectivist alliance for generationsThat happened long ago, because we allow it, capitalisim does that.
[] USA is about to enter a terminal collapse, due in part to an impossible to repay public debt, an interest burden that is ever rising, the drain of deficit spending, widespread rebellion against the imminent increase in tax burdens, restrictions on liberty, and unWar costs.Nothing is impossible, we can spend more wisely, we can collect revenue is a more fair method and even pay off our debets. What freeedoms have you lost? NONE. What tax increase? They just passed a continued tax decrease. FYI we had higher taxes under Clinton, the economy did not crash and there was no rebellion, in fact we were far better off. In fact it was Bush that said the People wanted tax reductions when at the time it was waaaay down on the list of what people wanted, it was a Neo-Con lie to pay back the rich for their support.When you claim we cannot do it as a People you are part of the problem and not the solution
[] The aftermath, if nothing changes, will be the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of America, absent that "pesky" U.S. Constitution.Provide facts that show the Constitution is in danger or that anyone is trying to change it. Last person that wanted to change it was Bush so that he could deny gays the right to marry, but he gave it up since he knew he could not get the support by either Dems or Repubs.
2. Please be so kind as to show which facts are in error. I do not claim infallibility, and may have made a mistake. Please present your supporting facts and references.See above replies, Yours in red and mine in blue. Oh, I would not call them Facts they are your POV.
BTW - my favorite "extremist" propaganda reading material:
Declaration of Independence, 1776
Articles of Confederation, 1777
U.S. Constitution, 1787
Statutes
My my, I love it when people wrap themselves in the flag, as if they are the only ones that believe in those documents. If this country is ever taken over by a dictator they will be wrapped in the flag and holding a Bible. I am not impressed.
If you're enamored of wingmanship, please read this: //www.city-data.com/forum/polit...lib-v-con.html
Simple questionnaire:
[1.] Do you have Creator endowed rights, or
[2.] Do you only have government endowed privileges?
No. 1
According to the Declaration of Independence, it's #1.
According to the collectivists / progressives, it's #2.
Nope, according to the Creator
Which is preferable?
A government that secures your rights to life, liberty and property, or a government that controls your life, liberty and property?
The first of-course, but the question is misleading because you act as if the second were fact, which it is not. Are you for total personal freedom or just for those things that You want to be free to do, what about my freedoms, can I do whatever I want?
If that's still too hard to comprehend, how about this choice:
[a] Freedom (i.e., natural and personal liberty)
[b] Slavery (obligation to labor for the benefit of another)
Once again this is not an honest question, plus a little attempt at an insult, we are not talking about being slaves since none of are, you may consider yourself one but I am not. [/quote]
There I addressed your request, clear enough for ya? If not just ask.
So what are your solutions to the issues you think we have or are you just venting your frustrations?
Casper
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