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I found it interesting that everyone ignored my comment a few posts back which basicallys states the same thing.
In the old days, many people came here illegally. Those who gave false surnames or any false information at Ellis Island entered illegally. Of course, it isn't as if our ancestors are going to be the ones to admit it. After all, our European names all have flags and crests you can put on plaque and buy online that proves we are legit.
Check your calandar. Does it say "old days"? Are things the same as they were in the "old days"? Do we really need a few million more uneducated, unskilled people with third world cultures and issues legal or not in the USA right now? TODAY???
An obvious failure. Just like its predecessor under Hoover (which, like '53, resulted in US born citizens being deported, but also resulted in some African-Americans being deported to Jamaica)
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I don't recall ever seeing Press 1 for English, 2 for Polish on an ATM machine.
There are a few ATMs in NYC with Polish language options. (Not surprisingly, in Brooklyn).
An obvious failure. Just like its predecessor under Hoover (which, like '53, resulted in US born citizens being deported, but also resulted in some African-Americans being deported to Jamaica)
There are a few ATMs in NYC with Polish language options. (Not surprisingly, in Brooklyn).
Great. Another extremist who thinks that anything short of the systematic extermination of illegal immigrants is being "soft on illegals".
The link verified what I said. Operation WB was used not just against illegal immigrants but against US citizens by local authorities who didn't like "Mexicans". Just like its 1930s predecessor was used against not only "Mexicans" who were deported to Mexico even if US citizens but also descendants of US slaves who were deported to Jamaica ( no surprise given that the '30s deportations happened when the Klan was much stronger)
In any case WB failed. Accept that you're wrong. Although I'm not expecting an apology from you any sooner than I'd expect an apology from Bin Laden.
There's absolutely nothing to apologize for. The post I rebutted with Operation WB claimed that it will take a generation for Mexican immigrants to assimilate. I showed that Mexican illegal immigration has been an issue for well over 50 years by referring to Operation WB. Please point out where I ever said Operation WB was a success. I'll await YOUR apology.
Throughout American history, immigrants have frequently been blamed for a variety of problems. In the early 1800's, the Irish and Germans were the targets of nativism. Then, Southern and Eastern Europeans were the problem. Chinese immigrants were the focus of early 20th century persecution. My question is, are Mexican immigrants being unjustly blamed, like the other immigrant groups, or is there something inherently different about them? Despite being conservative on almost every other issue, I personally feel that the Mexicans are unjustly blamed for many problems, but I would like to here other opinions.
Nope...Irish came in legally through the front door...not illegally through the back.
I am a mostly liberal person, and struggle with the issue because I value legal immigration and assimilation, and am first generation on one side of my family (legal immigrants!), but do not think it's sustainable to have open borders, or the continued amount of illegal immigration that we're experiencing.
The biggest difference I see between the Irish of old and many "Mexicans" (and assorted other Central Americans), is that politically, the "Mexicans" have a powerful lobby and entitlement complex that did not typify and does not typify other immigrants from any country, Ireland or otherwise. It really is palpable and different when dealing with someone who comes to the USA to BE American vs. someone who thinks that the US "stole" their ancestral homeland, and they are therefore entitled to be here (predicated on untenable European Spanish land claims, btw, which is the funny thing).
Also, illegal or non, the welfare state did not exist when most of the European, Chinese, etc. immigration was ongoing. It pretty much was, "Hi, welcome. Sink or swim." The statue of liberty had its famous message about accepting the world's poor in a time where there was no guaranteed education, no emergency room services mandated by law, no medicaid, WIC, foodstamps, welfare, free lunches at school, Section 8 housing, etc. etc. etc. It's a whole different ballgame in 2011 than it was in 1911.
Nowadays, with large families being born in the USA to millions of illegals (I believe stats show that immigrant women in the USA from S.O.B. have larger families on average than their countrymen back home), we are obligated to pay THOUSANDS in benefits to these children of illegals every year. The average low wage worker or under the table worker using a stolen SS# won't even begin to scratch the surface to cover the taxpayer's burden in taking care of their children. Is the cheap lettuce really worth it? Can't we just import it? I could care less if some big commercial farmer goes belly-up, especially when they're admittedly not employing Americans as it is. I'd prefer our limited resources go towards securing a better future for those who are here already, or were invited in.
I think both issues rightfully anger Americans, especially when it seems that so many are taking advantage of the system, and have nothing but contempt for Americans. We've come a long way from xenophobic attitudes of the 1700s-1900s, and during that time, especially the last 50 years, much of the rest of the world has adopted an anti-American education and perspective wherein Americans are the root of all evil. So in essence, it's flipped from when "Americans" looked down on others as the cause of their problems. Today, however, MOST Americans will consistently agree that LEGAL immigration is a positive, and to deny that is disingenuous.
For what it's worth I think "Mexicans" could really step up to the plate here to help their cause and lessen harsh attitudes towards their community. There is very little condemnation from the legal American Mexican community against illegal immigration (ethnic solidarity is hard to shake, no matter who it's perpetrated by, isn't it?), and it's just unbelievable how MEXICO adopts racist, harsh anti-illegal immigration policies itself (specifically against Indio Guatemalans and other Central Americans), and then demands the USA not implement measures against illegal Mexican immigrants!!
I am a mostly liberal person, and struggle with the issue because I value legal immigration and assimilation, and am first generation on one side of my family (legal immigrants!), but do not think it's sustainable to have open borders, or the continued amount of illegal immigration that we're experiencing.
The biggest difference I see between the Irish of old and many "Mexicans" (and assorted other Central Americans), is that politically, the "Mexicans" have a powerful lobby and entitlement complex that did not typify and does not typify other immigrants from any country, Ireland or otherwise. It really is palpable and different when dealing with someone who comes to the USA to BE American vs. someone who thinks that the US "stole" their ancestral homeland, and they are therefore entitled to be here (predicated on untenable European Spanish land claims, btw, which is the funny thing).
Also, illegal or non, the welfare state did not exist when most of the European, Chinese, etc. immigration was ongoing. It pretty much was, "Hi, welcome. Sink or swim." The statue of liberty had its famous message about accepting the world's poor in a time where there was no guaranteed education, no emergency room services mandated by law, no medicaid, WIC, foodstamps, welfare, free lunches at school, Section 8 housing, etc. etc. etc. It's a whole different ballgame in 2011 than it was in 1911.
Nowadays, with large families being born in the USA to millions of illegals (I believe stats show that immigrant women in the USA from S.O.B. have larger families on average than their countrymen back home), we are obligated to pay THOUSANDS in benefits to these children of illegals every year. The average low wage worker or under the table worker using a stolen SS# won't even begin to scratch the surface to cover the taxpayer's burden in taking care of their children. Is the cheap lettuce really worth it? Can't we just import it? I could care less if some big commercial farmer goes belly-up, especially when they're admittedly not employing Americans as it is. I'd prefer our limited resources go towards securing a better future for those who are here already, or were invited in.
I think both issues rightfully anger Americans, especially when it seems that so many are taking advantage of the system, and have nothing but contempt for Americans. We've come a long way from xenophobic attitudes of the 1700s-1900s, and during that time, especially the last 50 years, much of the rest of the world has adopted an anti-American education and perspective wherein Americans are the root of all evil. So in essence, it's flipped from when "Americans" looked down on others as the cause of their problems. Today, however, MOST Americans will consistently agree that LEGAL immigration is a positive, and to deny that is disingenuous.
For what it's worth I think "Mexicans" could really step up to the plate here to help their cause and lessen harsh attitudes towards their community. There is very little condemnation from the legal American Mexican community against illegal immigration (ethnic solidarity is hard to shake, no matter who it's perpetrated by, isn't it?), and it's just unbelievable how MEXICO adopts racist, harsh anti-illegal immigration policies itself (specifically against Indio Guatemalans and other Central Americans), and then demands the USA not implement measures against illegal Mexican immigrants!!
Throughout American history, immigrants have frequently been blamed for a variety of problems. In the early 1800's, the Irish and Germans were the targets of nativism. Then, Southern and Eastern Europeans were the problem. Chinese immigrants were the focus of early 20th century persecution. My question is, are Mexican immigrants being unjustly blamed, like the other immigrant groups, or is there something inherently different about them? Despite being conservative on almost every other issue, I personally feel that the Mexicans are unjustly blamed for many problems, but I would like to here other opinions.
It's not comparable (imo), because there was no welfare state like there is today. When american taxpayers are forced to pay for illegals and their native-born children, it breeds understandable resentment. Irish of course were also 100% white.
Could it be because illegal aliens from Mexico have been in the news for decades Ya think?
Are Mexicans the new Irish? No.....
The Irish didn't come to America illegally in the millions and want to transform it into a province of Ireland...
They wanted to become Americans, fly the American flag on their houses not the Irish flag.
This is the image the the American people see:
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Exactly. Great post, great post. Immigrants used to come here to become Americans. Now, many immigrants come here to grab a city/territory and turn it into a "better" version of whatever nation they came from. Where I live you drive around certain parts of town and you would forget you are still in America. You see nothing but Mexican flags, no businesses are in English, you'll see over 10 cab companies that cater specifically to "Hispanics" or "Latins", etc. This is what multiculturalism is all about and it cannot last. America is turning into what Teddy Roosevelt warned about:
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The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality, than with the other citizens of the American Republic...
My sentiments exactly.
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