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Old 01-07-2011, 01:21 AM
 
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...and something that just frankly is not fair...THERE ARE TOO MANY GOVT. WORKERS OUT THERE! Too many pensions we are having to pay for that are absolutely ridiculous. Too many state workers who get absolutely unreal salaries for doing NOTHING! This is crippling our economy. Many, many things could be priviatized that arent. Between the Beuracrats on the Federal level, and the state govt. workers who make sure "We go by the right code"...it is destroying us. I personally think that this is one of the worst things going on in America right now, and it isnt because simply my political beliefs are on the libertarian/conservative side of things. I think it is just an obvious problem. We the people are paying for many things we should not have to, and we the people are contributing to a lot of salaries that we should not have to. The avg. govt. worker makes somewhere north of 80 or 90 grand a year...for what? You look at what these people do, and tell me that there salary is legit...cmon...
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Old 01-07-2011, 01:27 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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...and something that just frankly is not fair...THERE ARE TOO MANY GOVT. WORKERS OUT THERE! Too many pensions we are having to pay for that are absolutely ridiculous. Too many state workers who get absolutely unreal salaries for doing NOTHING! This is crippling our economy. Many, many things could be priviatized that arent. Between the Beuracrats on the Federal level, and the state govt. workers who make sure "We go by the right code"...it is destroying us. I personally think that this is one of the worst things going on in America right now, and it isnt because simply my political beliefs are on the libertarian/conservative side of things. I think it is just an obvious problem. We the people are paying for many things we should not have to, and we the people are contributing to a lot of salaries that we should not have to. The avg. govt. worker makes somewhere north of 80 or 90 grand a year...for what? You look at what these people do, and tell me that there salary is legit...cmon...
Name a department that you think we should privatize.
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Old 01-07-2011, 01:29 AM
 
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Where did you get a figure of "somewhere north of 80 or 90 grand a year" for the average government worker salary?
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Old 01-07-2011, 01:30 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Name a department that you think we should privatize.
Privatize?
How about abolish?

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Old 01-07-2011, 01:42 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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He said privatize. I want to know what he's thinking.
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Old 01-07-2011, 01:50 AM
 
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Name a department that you think we should privatize.
Congress, the NIH, SEC, IRS, FDA, CIA and Defense Department have already been privatized (work for mega corporations).

The only "pure" government left is SSA.

The Republicans can't wait to create, and pop, a bubble of the SSA.

Republicans are nothing more than a buncha fascists.
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Old 01-07-2011, 02:15 AM
 
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Congress, the NIH, SEC, IRS, FDA, CIA and Defense Department have already been privatized (work for mega corporations).

The only "pure" government left is SSA.

The Republicans can't wait to create, and pop, a bubble of the SSA.

Republicans are nothing more than a buncha fascists.
If the agency in question is paid with public funds it is not privatized, regardless of the beneficiary.

Social Security is an abomination that required subterfuge and a treaty to squeeze past the limitations of the USCON.

Calling republicrats (or demopublicans) fascists when the definition of the word is far from what they are, heightens the humor.
FASCISM - any political or social ideology of the extreme right which relies on a combination of pseudo-religious attitudes and the brutal use of force for getting and keeping power.
- - - Webster's Dictionary
------------
The major characteristics of "Fascism" :
* EXTREME RIGHT
* PSEUDO-RELIGIOUS
* BRUTAL
Let's consider the wing with which people are associated with, when speaking of political partisanship.
LEFT WING - the section of a political party, government or group that holds the most left or radical views.
- - - Webster's Dictionary

RIGHT WING - the section of a political party, government or group that holding the views of the Right.
- - - Webster's Dictionary

THE RIGHT - that section of a political party ... which associates itself with traditional authority or opinion and which in legislative bodies is seated traditionally to the right of the presiding officer.
- - - Webster's Dictionary

THE LEFT - that section of a political party ... which differs most from traditional authority or opinion and which in legislative bodies is seated traditionally to the left of the presiding officer.
- - - Webster's Dictionary
Is that clear?
Left = opposition to traditional authority
Right = support of traditional authority

True "Fascism" would have to be in support of "traditional" authority, using brutality and pseudo-religious behavior.

Since socialism and other collectivist philosophies are left wing / against traditional authority or opinion, it is a cruel joke to call America's twin political parties "Fascist". They are both LEFT wing.
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Old 01-07-2011, 02:32 AM
 
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...and something that just frankly is not fair...THERE ARE TOO MANY GOVT. WORKERS OUT THERE! Too many pensions we are having to pay for that are absolutely ridiculous. Too many state workers who get absolutely unreal salaries for doing NOTHING! This is crippling our economy. Many, many things could be priviatized that arent. Between the Beuracrats on the Federal level, and the state govt. workers who make sure "We go by the right code"...it is destroying us. I personally think that this is one of the worst things going on in America right now, and it isnt because simply my political beliefs are on the libertarian/conservative side of things. I think it is just an obvious problem. We the people are paying for many things we should not have to, and we the people are contributing to a lot of salaries that we should not have to. The avg. govt. worker makes somewhere north of 80 or 90 grand a year...for what? You look at what these people do, and tell me that there salary is legit...cmon...
So if you got offered one of these supposed high paying government jobs you would refuse it on principle?yeah right
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Old 01-07-2011, 02:37 AM
 
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If the agency in question is paid with public funds it is not privatized, regardless of the beneficiary.

Social Security is an abomination that required subterfuge and a treaty to squeeze past the limitations of the USCON.

Calling republicrats (or demopublicans) fascists when the definition of the word is far from what they are, heightens the humor.
FASCISM - any political or social ideology of the extreme right which relies on a combination of pseudo-religious attitudes and the brutal use of force for getting and keeping power.
- - - Webster's Dictionary
------------
The major characteristics of "Fascism" :
* EXTREME RIGHT
* PSEUDO-RELIGIOUS
* BRUTAL
Let's consider the wing with which people are associated with, when speaking of political partisanship.
LEFT WING - the section of a political party, government or group that holds the most left or radical views.
- - - Webster's Dictionary

RIGHT WING - the section of a political party, government or group that holding the views of the Right.
- - - Webster's Dictionary

THE RIGHT - that section of a political party ... which associates itself with traditional authority or opinion and which in legislative bodies is seated traditionally to the right of the presiding officer.
- - - Webster's Dictionary

THE LEFT - that section of a political party ... which differs most from traditional authority or opinion and which in legislative bodies is seated traditionally to the left of the presiding officer.
- - - Webster's Dictionary
Is that clear?
Left = opposition to traditional authority
Right = support of traditional authority

True "Fascism" would have to be in support of "traditional" authority, using brutality and pseudo-religious behavior.

Since socialism and other collectivist philosophies are left wing / against traditional authority or opinion, it is a cruel joke to call America's twin political parties "Fascist". They are both LEFT wing.
You callin' the Constitution some kinda right wing crazy?
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Old 01-07-2011, 02:42 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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You callin' the Constitution some kinda right wing crazy?
No. You are.
The "Right Wing", by definition, supports the traditional power or authority.
If the USCON is traditional power, then support of it is RIGHT WING.

However, if you read American law, the traditional power is in the sovereign people, who are served by the government.

Those who elevate servant government to mastership, are against traditional authority.
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