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Old 01-10-2011, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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To be a member of the Swiss Guard you must be Catholic.

To be a member of the taliban you must believe in Islam.

What's the difference?
The difference? The differences, you mean? Because there are several.

The Swiss Guard is the military unit charged with defense of the Vatican, which is the home of the Pope who is the head of the Catholic church. Of course you would need to be a Catholic to have any place at all in the Vatican.

The Taliban is an 'enforcement' arm of Islam. Of course one would need to believe in Islam and identify as Moslem to be a member of the Taliban.

However, in THIS country, we have citizens of every belief and no belief. We have a constitutional guarantee of freedom to believe as suits each of us and not be forced to express belief in that in which we have no belief. As we have such diversity of beliefs and non-beliefs in this country, would it not be wise to reflect that diversity in our military? Because our military is supposed to defend and protect the rights of all of us, believers and non-believers alike, is it not?
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Old 01-10-2011, 10:56 AM
 
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However, in THIS country, we have citizens of every belief and no belief. We have a constitutional guarantee of freedom to believe as suits each of us and not be forced to express belief in that in which we have no belief. As we have such diversity of beliefs and non-beliefs in this country, would it not be wise to reflect that diversity in our military? Because our military is supposed to defend and protect the rights of all of us, believers and non-believers alike, is it not?
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Does this prohibit anyone from practicing a religion other than Christianity? Does it force a form of Christianity on anyone?
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Old 01-10-2011, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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The God I prayed to in 'Nam was not the gentile Jesus. It was a triumvirate of Odin, Tyr and Thor. They, and way more fear and adrenaline than tolerable, gave me the speed and ferocity I needed to stay alive. I had all the purpose I needed: The rush of the natural drugs and the love of winning.

PS: I don’t let that guy out of his cage very often.
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Old 01-10-2011, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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So what?

Honestly. Get over it. The majority of Americans claim to believe in God. Is it a bad thing to want to give soldiers something to fall back on when the going gets tough?

Seriously...get over yourself and stop trying to impose your values on us.
How about YOU stop trying to impose YOUR values on EVERYONE ELSE?
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Old 01-10-2011, 10:59 AM
 
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How about YOU stop trying to impose YOUR values on EVERYONE ELSE?
Right after you guys stop trying to impose your values on us.
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Old 01-10-2011, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Does this prohibit anyone from practicing a religion other than Christianity? Does it force a form of Christianity on anyone?
What it does is it infers that a soldier being given this test is somehow "broken" if he holds to no belief in God. It infers that a person who holds to no beliefs in even some kind of 'spirituality' will not be able to cope with the things that happen during or after a war.
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Old 01-10-2011, 11:13 AM
 
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
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Does it force a form of Christianity on anyone?
Yes, if you score low on the spirituality test you have to take remedial classes to make to think right.

"Cornum's claims that soldiers are not required to participate in remedial training if they score poorly on the spiritual portion of the test were not articulated to Griffith and other soldiers, who told Truthout they feared they would be disciplined by their superior officers if they didn't act on the recommendations they received after taking the exam. In fact, nowhere on the test does it state that such training is voluntary."
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Old 01-10-2011, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Right after you guys stop trying to impose your values on us.


Atheists, Jews, Buddhists, Sikhs and others don't go around trying to recruit/convert others to their religion.
Muslims and Christians do. So the imposing can only be done by the two of them .
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Old 01-10-2011, 11:18 AM
 
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True statement plannine.
As a JEW, I've had more Christians hand me the same old, tired line....."Have you found JESUS yet?"

I always give them the same answer:

"I didn't know he was lost?"

Steve
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Old 01-10-2011, 11:41 AM
 
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Yes, if you score low on the spirituality test you have to take remedial classes to make to think right.

"Cornum's claims that soldiers are not required to participate in remedial training if they score poorly on the spiritual portion of the test were not articulated to Griffith and other soldiers, who told Truthout they feared they would be disciplined by their superior officers if they didn't act on the recommendations they received after taking the exam. In fact, nowhere on the test does it state that such training is voluntary."
Hey, no free will here.

What kinda God did the Army draft?
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