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Why doesn't Obama acknowledge the incidiary and devisive rhetorics he's used in the past like:
"they cling to their religion and their guns"
"If they bring a knife to the fight, we'll bring a gun"
"punish our enemies and reward our friends"
"they have to sit in the back on this"
Why doesn't he apologize to the American public for helping to set the example that vitriolic political rhetoric is acceptable and pledge to stop and encourage members of his own party, and Congress as a whole, to do the same?
Are national moments of silence and appearances at an AZ memorial enough? Or, do you think that Obama should accept his role in the escalation of vitriolic rhetoric, apologize for the bad example he set in so doing, and pledge to stop it while inviting other elected representatives to do the same?
Uggghh...you're STILL obsessed with this thing, aren't you?
Originally posted by natalayjones
How do you know he won't be leading by example from now on? Why don't you wait for him to say something before you question why he's saying it?
Besides if the rhetoric had nothing to do with the shooting then why does he need to address it in regards to the shooting?
Well, even if he does lead by example from now on, the right wingers on this board won't even care. Much of the right is always looking for a reason to hate, that's all. If it isn't this, then it'll be something else. There's no pleasing them.
BTW, I agree with DC at the Ridge completely:
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He's certainly made some missteps. But I don't think his rhetoric has been consistently vitriolic, or even divisive. I think he's made several overtures to working together with his opposition
1) Because so many members of his party are pointing the finger at the rhetoric.
2) Because he is the default leader of the Democrat party just by holding the highest elected postition.
3) Because as a leader he should realize that increasing political tensions to the extent that we have seen in the rhectoric of mudslinging following the mass murder, even though it was not a causal factor in and of itself, is destructive to the fabric of our political system and only serves to plant the seeds of distrust.
4) Because leaders are actually supposed to lead and not dither to see which ways the winds of political opinion are blowing before making a statement about that which is controling the political conversation in this country.
BEFORE the events in Tucson, the partisan and vitriolic rhetoric was being commented upon. The fact that the Senator who was shot was one of the people asking for the rhetoric to be toned down BEFORE this incident has drawn attention to the rhetoric. Are some people taking advantage of these events to further their agendas? Yes. People from both political wings.
1) Because so many members of his party are pointing the finger at the rhetoric.
2) Because he is the default leader of the Democrat party just by holding the highest elected postition.
3) Because as a leader he should realize that increasing political tensions to the extent that we have seen in the rhectoric of mudslinging following the mass murder, even though it was not a causal factor in and of itself, is destructive to the fabric of our political system and only serves to plant the seeds of distrust.
4) Because leaders are actually supposed to lead and not dither to see which ways the winds of political opinion are blowing before making a statement about that which is controling the political conversation in this country.
So you've changed your position on using the AZ tragedy for political reasons?
And like I said how do you know moving forward this won't happen? You're using past examples to ask why he's not doing something in the present. Looks like you're using the shooting as a reason to complain; I'm sure you can find something valid to complain about
I can recall the Presidential election and Obama never resorted to mean spirited rhetoric or tactics that angered people. The McCain camp, mainly Palin, were relentless in the attacks and dirty fighting.
Sarah Palin Blamed by the US Secret Service Over Death Threats Against Barack Obama
The Republican vice presidential candidate attracted criticism for accusing Mr Obama of "palling around with terrorists", citing his association with the sixties radical William Ayers.
The attacks provoked a near lynch mob atmosphere at her rallies, with supporters yelling "terrorist" and "kill him" until the McCain campaign ordered her to tone down the rhetoric.
But it has now emerged that her demagogic tone may have unintentionally encouraged white supremacists to go even further.
The Secret Service warned the Obama family in mid October that they had seen a dramatic increase in the number of threats against the Democratic candidate, coinciding with Mrs Palin's attacks.
No, Those remarks that he made where before Tucson. But the left insists that those types of remarks ( made by the right ) led to the tragedy. They never seem to remember the things they try to blame someone else for, they are doing themselves.
I can recall the Presidential election and Obama never resorted to mean spirited rhetoric or tactics that angered people. The McCain camp, mainly Palin, were relentless in the attacks and dirty fighting.
Sarah Palin Blamed by the US Secret Service Over Death Threats Against Barack Obama
The Republican vice presidential candidate attracted criticism for accusing Mr Obama of "palling around with terrorists", citing his association with the sixties radical William Ayers.
The attacks provoked a near lynch mob atmosphere at her rallies, with supporters yelling "terrorist" and "kill him" until the McCain campaign ordered her to tone down the rhetoric.
But it has now emerged that her demagogic tone may have unintentionally encouraged white supremacists to go even further.
The Secret Service warned the Obama family in mid October that they had seen a dramatic increase in the number of threats against the Democratic candidate, coinciding with Mrs Palin's attacks.
No, Those remarks that he made where before Tucson. But the left insists that those types of remarks ( made by the right ) led to the tragedy. They never seem to remember the things they try to blame someone else for, they are doing themselves.
Actually, "the left" doesn't insist that.
Here's the bottom line: We would ALL of us benefit if our political leaders, on the left and the right, were more responsible and thoughtful about their words and actions. Toning down the rhetoric is something that needs to happen. The events in Tucson do not seem to be the result of overblown, violent rhetoric, but the victim of those events was calling on her fellow legislators and political figures to tone down the rhetoric, and it would certainly seem respectful if those fellow legislators and political figures would comply. It would honor this woman, and it would be a good thing for the nation.
I can recall the Presidential election and Obama never resorted to mean spirited rhetoric or tactics that angered people. .........
Then you have either a short or selective memory indeed. It was during the campaign that Obama singled out a geographic portion of this country (PA) and belittled them as "bitter" as "clinging to their guns or their religion".
You don't think that kind of condescending remark was mean spirited and that it didn't anger some people? Really?
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