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Old 01-19-2011, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Future doctor-owned hospitals will basically be banned by obamacare. Is this what the government should be doing? Dictating?

Obamacare Ends Construction of Doctor-Owned Hospitals | The Weekly Standard

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Under the headline, "Construction Stops at Physician Hospitals," Politico reports today that "Physician Hospitals of America says that construction had to stop at 45 hospitals nationwide or they would not be able to bill Medicare for treatments." Stopping construction at doctor-owned hospitals might not seem like the best way to boost the economy or to promote greater access and choice in health care, but that exactly what Obamacare is doing.
One more of those nasty little details that keep popping up with obamacare.

What a great idea! Less hospitals when 30 million more will come on the rolls! Brilliant!

Oh, but here might be the reason - a capitulation to the AHA (American Hospital Assoc), which supported obamacare, doesn't seem to like doctor-owned hospitals.

The damage has already begun - NYPOST.com

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Section 6001 of the health-care law required physician-owned hospitals to obtain their Medicare certification by the end of last year.

So construction halted at 45 hospitals as the New Year arrived. Work on countless others will never start, having been effectively banned by ObamaCare.
Limit competition, drive up costs, limited access, all brought to you by obamacare.

http://www.heartland.org/full/29036/...trictions.html

And the doctors in those hospitals and elsewhere;

News Headlines (http://www.cnbc.com/id/41149280 - broken link)

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Nearly two-thirds of U.S. doctors surveyed fear healthcare reform could worsen care for patients, by flooding their offices and hurting income, according to a Thomson Reuters survey released Tuesday.
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Old 01-19-2011, 06:34 PM
 
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We've been through this before so I won't belabor the point other than to post one of he earlier articles on this:

How Health-Care Reform Could Hurt Doctor-Owned Hospitals - TIME

You know as one of those big let the market be your god advocates, there is noting in the healthcare bill the prevents these folks from building or operating their facility, they just aren't approved for medicare paying for it. Surely if they are a much needed service they can survive on the private markets. heh?

Oh, yeah from the link that the story was based on, I found this little item.
Several high-profile medical groups are laying low on reform, maintaining very similar positions as they did during the battle to pass the law. Both the AMA and the American Osteopathic Association continue to support the health law and resist efforts to repeal it, in separate remarks, though they say they’d like to make changes to the legislation. “The Affordable Care Act made fundamental and important changes in our health care system that will improve the health of our patients individually and our nation as a whole,” the Osteopathic Association said in a statement. “However, there are still many improvements that can be made. Health care reform is, and should remain, an ongoing effort.”
AOA Statement on the Affordable Care Act (http://bit.ly/haPypm - broken link)

POLITICO Pulse - POLITICO.com
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Old 01-19-2011, 10:03 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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We've been through this before so I won't belabor the point other than to post one of he earlier articles on this:
What would be the point of building a hospital if you were unable to get certification for Medicare patients? The majority of patients would fall in that category.

Why even have such a rule in obamacare?
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Old 01-19-2011, 10:07 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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You don't see doctor owned hospitals as a conflict of interest?
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Old 01-19-2011, 10:14 PM
 
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But his apporoval rates are going up. Nothing Obama does is wrong, right???
Wait until Obamacare kicks in and the left gets hurt by it, and then they'll change their tune, but he won't be president by then, so they will just blame it on the new pres. But they will never blame their king.
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Old 01-19-2011, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Georgia, on the Florida line, right above Tallahassee
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Future doctor-owned hospitals will basically be banned by obamacare. Is this what the government should be doing? Dictating?

Obamacare Ends Construction of Doctor-Owned Hospitals | The Weekly Standard



One more of those nasty little details that keep popping up with obamacare.

What a great idea! Less hospitals when 30 million more will come on the rolls! Brilliant!

Oh, but here might be the reason - a capitulation to the AHA (American Hospital Assoc), which supported obamacare, doesn't seem to like doctor-owned hospitals.

The damage has already begun - NYPOST.com



Limit competition, drive up costs, limited access, all brought to you by obamacare.

Physician-Owned Hospitals Fire Back at Obamacare Restrictions - by Kenneth Artz - Health Care News

And the doctors in those hospitals and elsewhere;

News Headlines (http://www.cnbc.com/id/41149280 - broken link)
They had months to comply.

The new health care law prevents future physician-owned hospitals from participating in federally financed health programs, unless such facilities are open and operating and certified by Medicare by December 31, 2010. Under the law, expansions of existing doctor-owned hospitals will face restrictions, such as being located in states with a shortage of hospital beds, and in counties that are growing 50 percent faster than the overall state.

The for profit hospitals are going to have to open where there is greater demand for their services.

New Physician-Owned Hospitals Must Meet Dec 31 Medicare Certification Deadline (http://www.publicconsultinggroup.com/research/post/2010/10/28/New-Physician-Owned-Hospitals-Must-Meet-Dec-31-Medicare-Certification-Deadline.aspx - broken link)

And you think this is a bad idea.
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Old 01-19-2011, 10:21 PM
 
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But his apporoval rates are going up. Nothing Obama does is wrong, right???
When others are so pathologically negative why should anyone add to the hysteria?

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Wait until Obamacare kicks in and the left gets hurt by it,
This lefty has two extremely costly life threatening pre-existing condition, if my wife ever lost her coverage I would be up fecal creek in a leaking boat without a paddle. If "Obamacare" is going to hurt me, I could get used to this kind of hurt in a heart beat.
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Old 01-19-2011, 10:58 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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They had months to comply.

The new health care law prevents future physician-owned hospitals from participating in federally financed health programs, unless such facilities are open and operating and certified by Medicare by December 31, 2010. Under the law, expansions of existing doctor-owned hospitals will face restrictions, such as being located in states with a shortage of hospital beds, and in counties that are growing 50 percent faster than the overall state.

The for profit hospitals are going to have to open where there is greater demand for their services.

New Physician-Owned Hospitals Must Meet Dec 31 Medicare Certification Deadline (http://www.publicconsultinggroup.com/research/post/2010/10/28/New-Physician-Owned-Hospitals-Must-Meet-Dec-31-Medicare-Certification-Deadline.aspx - broken link)

And you think this is a bad idea.
It depends on who issues those Medicare licenses, I think. i guess most of you don't see anything wrong here but those licenses are issued by bureaucratic groups that may hold back if they don't care for the doctors involved. Yes, without Medicare patients most heart hospitals would be hurt very much since so many of the patients are old people.
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Old 01-19-2011, 11:02 PM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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You don't see doctor owned hospitals as a conflict of interest?
Those were the EXACT first thoughts I had when I read this thread title.

It sounds like a TOTAL conflict of interest to me. "Gee, Mr. Jones, we're going to have to ADMIT you and do a lot of tests before we can come up with a good diagnosis and treatment plan" (chaching chaching chaching)

20yrsinBranson
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Old 01-19-2011, 11:16 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Originally Posted by ovcatto View Post
We've been through this before so I won't belabor the point other than to post one of he earlier articles on this:

How Health-Care Reform Could Hurt Doctor-Owned Hospitals - TIME

You know as one of those big let the market be your god advocates, there is noting in the healthcare bill the prevents these folks from building or operating their facility, they just aren't approved for medicare paying for it. Surely if they are a much needed service they can survive on the private markets. heh?

Oh, yeah from the link that the story was based on, I found this little item.
Several high-profile medical groups are laying low on reform, maintaining very similar positions as they did during the battle to pass the law. Both the AMA and the American Osteopathic Association continue to support the health law and resist efforts to repeal it, in separate remarks, though they say they’d like to make changes to the legislation. “The Affordable Care Act made fundamental and important changes in our health care system that will improve the health of our patients individually and our nation as a whole,” the Osteopathic Association said in a statement. “However, there are still many improvements that can be made. Health care reform is, and should remain, an ongoing effort.”
AOA Statement on the Affordable Care Act (http://bit.ly/haPypm - broken link)

POLITICO Pulse - POLITICO.com
Hey, pal, thanks for the Time article. I really wondered why the hospital that I had my by-pass surgery in changed hands last November and now you have told me. It was a heart surgery hospital only when I went there in 2005 but weeks after I left they went to all kinds of internal organ surgery. That hospital was a great one, as far as I could see, and the care was more than just excellent. Well, since they went from just heart in 2005 to general internal surgery I thought they were safe but it seems that the head man didn't see it that way.

Now that place was very new in that I tried to go to the clinic only place they had in 2002 and it was right across the street from the biggest hospital in the city. I was to have a heart cath procedure but they had an electrical fire in the room they used for that the day before I was scheduled to go in so we just did it in the huge hospital across the street. I decided after that go round in that place that I wasn't going back there for any reason. I had a successful cath procedure and was in a room with a heavy smoker who they had to cut on both legs. He had a couple of coughing fits that night and I was sure he would be dead by morning. Anyway, he got out early that morning and the hired help seemed to have forgotten me so I had to lay there till a nurse shift change and the new one said you have to get out of here. Well both doctors that had to take care of dismissal were busy in another hospital in the city so I got to stay till after noon and their food wasn't that good either.

Last November that hospital seems to have bought out the "speciality" hospital, at least it looks that way on paper. Also, a doctor owned clinic in town threw in with the big hospital. I believe that both places realized what was coming and how it could affect them so they did what was intended by the law. I will learn a bit more about all that shuffling when I see my cardiac specialist in a month or two just to assuage my own need to know.

Again, thanks a lot for letting me in on what the Congress, and the various medical facilities that supported the law did to strip those people of their businesses. I never read that mag unless somebody links it here.
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