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Old 01-20-2011, 11:37 AM
 
Location: California
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The current "Free Trade" arrangements provide huge profits to the financiers that make the agreements to the cost of the American economy and workers. As these financiers effectively control the government through political contributions and after the fact bribes, I do not have any hope that the necessary change from false "Free Trade" to an actual Fair Trade, based on leveling by using countervailing tariffs, will ever be made. The simple fact that our corporate class has extorted, through monopoly control of prices, enough money to exclude the rest of the population from and effective representation.

Sadly, you are correct, but why don't Americans stand up for themselves intead of accepting this "let them eat cake" envioronment?

We have the best government money can buy. WE do not own it.
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Why don't you ask Bill Clinton who signed Nafta and the rest of the Democrats who vote every chance they get to increase the cost of doing business here.
Someone had to support their lifestyle. Isn't that why we pay taxes and work for cheap wages?
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Old 01-20-2011, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Native Floridian, USA
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The premise was that the foreigner does the same job (thus of the same quality) as the American. Or are you saying that foreigners can't ever do the same jobs as Americans?
I have had work done by both and know many who have used foriegn laborers in the skilled trades and often the work sucked. My nephew had a house built and he said there wasnt a straight wall in the house, all done by foreign labor, and their were other things. It was not a cheap house either. I am picky about these things and I don't care who does the work, as long as they do it well. I have had problems with both foreign and domestic. I was referring to your statement though that didn't make much sense to me.

Also, you often get what you pay for. eta: I have gone the cheap sometimes and lived to regret it.
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Old 01-20-2011, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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IMHO - Bill Clinton and his wife are among the best manipulating liars we ever elected. They never had the interests of most Americans in mind but were driven to buy their way, using our prosperity, into the very top levels of politics and finance. They led our party into the hands of the international financiers. I, as a liberal and a Democrat, despise them.
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Old 01-20-2011, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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As I implied, I do not like paying twice for having something done. Do it right and do it once. As the old saying goes, "The cheapskate pays the most."
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Old 01-20-2011, 12:06 PM
 
Location: California
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We are right back in another Clinton era.
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Old 01-20-2011, 12:15 PM
 
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We are right back in another Clinton era.
We should be so lucky to have the type of economic and wage growth under Clinton compared to the castastrophy of the George W. Bush years.
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Old 01-20-2011, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Gone
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We should be so lucky to have the type of economic and wage growth under Clinton compared to the castastrophy of the George W. Bush years.
Yeah, I wish, I sure miss Bubba, those were the days.
Casper
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Old 01-20-2011, 12:24 PM
 
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Because technically there is no "the" economy. Every human's wealth is his personal economy and from that point of view paying less for the same amount is economically good. When you can chose between hiring a plumber for $10 per hour or $40 per hour who does the same job it's not a difficult choice to pay the cheaper one, be he a foreigner or not.

Companies that outsource jobs have can keep more wealth at their disposal to spend at their own leisure instead of someone else's for some abstract notion of solidarity.
Nothing wrong with the notion of solidarity. Don't know why you'd think there is.

Besides, it aint like that $40 dollar an hour plumber sticks that money under his mattress. He SPENDS it.
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Old 01-20-2011, 01:20 PM
 
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Nothing wrong with the notion of solidarity. Don't know why you'd think there is.

Besides, it aint like that $40 dollar an hour plumber sticks that money under his mattress. He SPENDS it.
Hey I'm not stopping you. It's your choice and your loss. Just don't cry for daddy government to help you when your spending spree has impoverished you
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Old 01-20-2011, 01:32 PM
 
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The only real benefit to the consumer is slightly lower costs on goods, but the main reason for going overseas is to maximize corporate fat cat profits.
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