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Old 01-20-2011, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Eric Cantor dares Harry Reid to hold repeal vote - Jake Sherman and Jennifer Haberkorn - POLITICO.com



With a slim 3 vote majority, the chances of a few of the moderate dems, who are up for reelection in 2012, like Caskill, Nelson, might decide this would mitigate their votes when obamacare passed last year.

I agree with Cantor - If Reid is so sure of the outcome, hold the vote.

Sen Minority Leader seems to think a vote will come;

RealClearPolitics - Video - Sen. McConnell Lauds House Vote: "I Assure You" We Will Repeal This



Sen rule #22.
Maybe he doesn't want to waste tax payer money on a pointless bill that doesn't stand a chance in hell of passing, or making it through a filibuster?

You do know it costs money to operate congress, and one less pointless bill is a way to save money.

If Republicans were serious about healthcare and really didn't like the way this bill was written, then they'd offer amendments and spending limits, instead of a pointless prom queen bill like this one.
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Old 01-20-2011, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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I'm think this is the Republican leadership's attempt to show their base they tried to repeal "Obamacare." They can blame the obstruction on Senate Democrats and say that they did their part.
This is just the beginning. The real deal will come with the lack of funding for creating all those new departments, and implementing the regulatory structure.

Let's not forget the ruling of unconstitutionality to the law.

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Not exactly a mandate now, is it?

Poll: Opposition to health care law eases | al.com
Sorry, the AP/GfK is so skewed towards the dems, there could be no other result. I already addressed the numbers in another thread. Totally Bogus. The party ID split of +10 points for the dems is blatant evidence of what they tried to do with this poll. Some will fall for it, without really looking at the demographics.
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Old 01-20-2011, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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The GOP House controls the purse, controls the budgetary and appropriations process, they will control the language and what is included...and what is NOT including. They will cut the funding and impose restrictions on HHS from implementing the massive regulatory/departmental structure of obamacare. This will be included in any budget presented to the Senate, which will try to take it out, which will fail.



Wrong. Ras, Gallup, CNN, WaPo - say repeal.

WP has 45% supporting the bill, 37% opposing and favoring repeal
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Old 01-20-2011, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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The GOP House controls the purse, controls the budgetary and appropriations process, they will control the language and what is included...and what is NOT including. They will cut the funding and impose restrictions on HHS from implementing the massive regulatory/departmental structure of obamacare. This will be included in any budget presented to the Senate, which will try to take it out, which will fail.



Wrong. Ras, Gallup, CNN, WaPo - say repeal.
As the CNN article states (and other articles have mentioned as well), the way the bill was structured makes defunding it very difficult.
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Old 01-20-2011, 02:17 PM
 
Location: FL
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Ummmmm....a Supreme Court challenge is years away.

The Country can't afford to wait that long.

Many Republicans defeated their Democratic opponents in the Midterms just on the promise to try to repeal it.
and they did just that. Tried to repeal it. They knew it wasn't going any where, didn't you know that?
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Old 01-20-2011, 02:18 PM
 
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Mehtinks you may just get the chance.....
Like they say...elections have consequences.

Well, the Repubs lost in 2008. Consequences? Obamacare (a stupid misnomer if there ever was one, but i'll entertain you) passed.

Another election was held in 2010. Repubs won the House, but not the Senate. In other words, close, but no dice. Consequences? Repubs don't have the power to get rid of Obamacare and i doubt they ever will.

There was an election held in Nevada for Senator, and instead of putting up a candidate with half a brain, the Repubs put up a clueless and nutty Tea Partyer. Consequences? Harry Reid is still the Majority Leader.
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Old 01-20-2011, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Totally and completely FALSE. The GOP was kept out of all negotiations for obamacare. In the WH, in the House, in the Senate. In fact, just a couple months ago, Sen Minority Leader McConnell met with obama for the very first time in over 2 years.

It was a complete shutout.
They were invited, they refused to engage and you blame Obama for the Repubs refusal? That was early on, after a while and many refusals, the Dems moved ahead. Apparenly the Dems felt working for the American people outweighed political grandstanding.
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Old 01-20-2011, 02:22 PM
 
Location: FL
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I'm think this is the Republican leadership's attempt to show their base they tried to repeal "Obamacare." They can blame the obstruction on Senate Democrats and say that they did their part.
Exactly!
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Old 01-20-2011, 02:25 PM
 
Location: FL
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he's obstructing the republican agenda. Some call it karma.
:d
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Old 01-20-2011, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Totally and completely FALSE. The GOP was kept out of all negotiations for obamacare. In the WH, in the House, in the Senate. In fact, just a couple months ago, Sen Minority Leader McConnell met with obama for the very first time in over 2 years.

It was a complete shutout.
Really?
So however did those 161 amendments get in there? Osmosis?

"Almost no one is noting the extraordinary influence Republicans had on the healthcare reform bill crafted by the Senate, as it made its way through the committee process last year. The bill approved by Sen. Christopher Dodd's Health, Education, Labor and Pensions committee, for instance, included 161 amendments authored by Republicans. "


Fact-checking the GOP on healthcare reform - Healthcare Reform | Obama Health Care Plan - Salon.com

"But one good way is to look at the GOP's "Solutions for America" homepage, which lays out its health-care plan in some detail. It has four planks. All of them -- yes, you read that right -- are in the Senate health-care bill."


Ezra Klein - The six Republican ideas already in the health-care reform bill



Obama to Consider 4 Republican Ideas on Health Care - NYTimes.com

"The combination of an individual mandate and a health-insurance exchange was something Republicans championed until Democrats used it as the centerpiece of their legislation; in fact, it's what then-Governor Mitt Romney signed into law for Massachusetts, where it's successfully brought down uninsurance rates."

Jobs, Spending, and the Healthcare Law : The Pump Handle




Hmmm,I think Mr. Cohen might be onto something.
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