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Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had ordered a silent running mode for his government and urged them not to speak on the situation of Egypt out of fears of provoking tension. Well he broke with this silence the other day in a stunning series of admissions.
But he warned that Islamic groups have already taken over by democratic means in Iran, Lebanon and Gaza.
"Is there freedom in Iran? Is there democracy in Gaza? Does Hezbollah promote human rights?" he asked
There it is straight from the horses mouth, the Prime Minister of Israel in a public statement claiming that Gaza, governed by Hamas is a democratic organization. Along with Lebanon and Iran.
This is important to note because the US and Israel refuse to acknowledge Hamas as the legitimate government of the Palestinians, so instead supported the Palestinian Authority against the will of the people and the internationally monitored elections of 2006. So we crushed a fledgling democracy in favor of supporting Abbas, who even by the flim flam support of the US and Israel has exceeded his term since 2008 and it little more than a man walking the streets.
Netanyahu then asked, "Is there Democracy in Gaza", and the answer is yes, at least there was until we crushed it.
Then towards the end of the piece, there is the following.
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He called on the international community to insist that whoever takes over power in Egypt remains committed to peace with Israel.
Netanhyahu "insist" that the international community ensures that whomever takes control of Egypt that they treat Israel nice.
I am reminded by another article that appeared in Israel on Ynet news wire
But in the long term, Israel must circumvent shadowy dictatorships and initiate creative public diplomacy that engages the Arab street, the real power in the Middle East. Though this strategy does not provide the flashy photo-ops that can help win domestic elections, it is a strategy rooted in principle and a reliable approach to the growing problem of Arab dictators who are quickly going out of fashion.
In summation, the point is that Israel shouldn't rely on the propping up of shadowy dictators to ensure its peace and security and that Israel should be engaging the Arab on the street and the Muslim people in the region. In other words, Israel needs to learn how to engage with its neighbors at all levels, instead of its reliance on dictators and US support.
In the meantime, Israel can "Insist" all it wants, but much to its surprise, there isn't a great deal of the international community running to ensure their safety and security at this moment. Israel for the first time in a long time is learning the consequences of military reliance instead of diplomacy.
Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had ordered a silent running mode for his government and urged them not to speak on the situation of Egypt out of fears of provoking tension. Well he broke with this silence the other day in a stunning series of admissions.
There it is straight from the horses mouth, the Prime Minister of Israel in a public statement claiming that Gaza, governed by Hamas is a democratic organization. Along with Lebanon and Iran.
This is important to note because the US and Israel refuse to acknowledge Hamas as the legitimate government of the Palestinians, so instead supported the Palestinian Authority against the will of the people and the internationally monitored elections of 2006. So we crushed a fledgling democracy in favor of supporting Abbas, who even by the flim flam support of the US and Israel has exceeded his term since 2008 and it little more than a man walking the streets.
Netanyahu then asked, "Is there Democracy in Gaza", and the answer is yes, at least there was until we crushed it.
Then towards the end of the piece, there is the following.
Netanhyahu "insist" that the international community ensures that whomever takes control of Egypt that they treat Israel nice.
I am reminded by another article that appeared in Israel on Ynet news wire
In summation, the point is that Israel shouldn't rely on the propping up of shadowy dictators to ensure its peace and security and that Israel should be engaging the Arab on the street and the Muslim people in the region. In other words, Israel needs to learn how to engage with its neighbors at all levels, instead of its reliance on dictators and US support.
In the meantime, Israel can "Insist" all it wants, but much to its surprise, there isn't a great deal of the international community running to ensure their safety and security at this moment. Israel for the first time in a long time is learning the consequences of military reliance instead of diplomacy.
This is a great comment and mirrors comments I have made elsewhere. Israel has squandered 30 years of military and economic superiority where she could have worked for a satisfactory peace settlement from a position of strength. In a changing world, it is not clear how long that position of strength can survive.
The Egyptian situation should come as a wake up call to Israel that things can and do change. Clearly a fair settlement will involve compromise and an Israeli backdown in some areas. It would mean no more settlements on the West Bank and the dismantling of many - if not all - of the settlements there. It will mean an end to the economic blockade of Gaza and the West Bank and agreeing to promoting economic development. And, of course, it will mean Arabs and Palestinians accepting that Israel has a right to exist and recognizing that working with Israel is preferable to conflict.
But better to get that settlement now than to wait until the balance of power in the region changes against Israel. Negotiating from weakness is never a good idea.
NO one has been able or can settle the disputes in the muslim world as has been shown time and again. They have for centuries fought amoung themselves when no foreign target was available.
NO one has been able or can settle the disputes in the muslim world as has been shown time and again. They have for centuries fought amoung themselves when no foreign target was available.
So European, Asian and African histories are replete with peaceful growth over the past 2000 years? All those wars between the Christians of England and those of France and Spain mean nothing?
Mankind has been at war since he crawled out of the swamp and as long as there is someone one man wants that another man has, there will be war.
As to more recent history, Since President Carter got Egypt, Jordan and Israel to all come together and at least agree on a peace treaty, they have maintained at least 30 years of cold peace. There is of course Saudi Arabia who hasn't been in any wars in a while. Of course there was the Iraq invasion of Iran where the US backed both countries, one overtly and one covertly. There was that Afghan war with the Soviets, but the US had a hand in that one as well. Of course the United States has invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, intervenes militarily in Yemen and Pakistan, but only the Arab world engages in war?
However, the point in this thread is Israel's acknowledgment that Gaza, Lebanon and Iran are democratic. So this constantly stated quote regurgitated by so many that Israel is the ONLY democracy in the Middle East is rather inane.
So European, Asian and African histories are replete with peaceful growth over the past 2000 years? All those wars between the Christians of England and those of France and Spain mean nothing?
Mankind has been at war since he crawled out of the swamp and as long as there is someone one man wants that another man has, there will be war.
As to more recent history, Since President Carter got Egypt, Jordan and Israel to all come together and at least agree on a peace treaty, they have maintained at least 30 years of cold peace. There is of course Saudi Arabia who hasn't been in any wars in a while. Of course there was the Iraq invasion of Iran where the US backed both countries, one overtly and one covertly. There was that Afghan war with the Soviets, but the US had a hand in that one as well. Of course the United States has invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, intervenes militarily in Yemen and Pakistan, but only the Arab world engages in war?
However, the point in this thread is Israel's acknowledgment that Gaza, Lebanon and Iran are democratic. So this constantly stated quote regurgitated by so many that Israel is the ONLY democracy in the Middle East is rather inane.
So you actually think those elctions were fair???? LMAO! How gullible could one be. If you want to call rigged elections and manipulation of the public to vote for someone democracy, go right ahead and I will continue to laugh at you very hard.
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So you actually think those elctions were fair???? LMAO! How gullible could one be. If you want to call rigged elections and manipulation of the public to vote for someone democracy, go right ahead and I will continue to laugh at you very hard.
It's really quite amazing how election results we like are just great and those we don't have somehow been mystically rigged, eh?
So you actually think those elctions were fair???? LMAO! How gullible could one be. If you want to call rigged elections and manipulation of the public to vote for someone democracy, go right ahead and I will continue to laugh at you very hard.
I find your comment interesting, the more so that you never did answer the question on another thread as to whether you were in favor of free and fair elections in Egypt even if that mean't the election of a government that you did not agree with.
On the subject of the "rigged" elections in Gaza, the following comment is interesting:
After polls closed, officials and observers called the vote "peaceful"; Edward McMillan-Scott, the British Conservative head of the European Parliament's monitoring team described the polls as "extremely professional, in line with international standards, free, transparent and without violence".
How much more does Israel have to give up before you consider them diplomatic? Will you consider them diplomatic if they abandon their nation and turn it over to Islam rather than defending themselves and their borders? Will anything short of that satisfy you?
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