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A corporation is NOTHING without people. Literally nothing. It is an abstract idea that means nothing in the real world.
And without employing people and paying them salaries, there is nobody to buy your products.
Get it now?
Furthermore, corporations do NOT exist in a vacuum, but rather because the PEOPLE provided the social infrastructure for them to succeed.
Really, the logic of some right wingers is just astounding. I mean - up with corporations and down with people? What kind of sociopaths are you?
Up with corporations, and up with people.
Corporations are made out of people: the hundred million Americans that work for them, the 60% of us that own percentages of them, and the other factor. Just today I stopped by a corporate location, and bought food and other necessities for my family for the week. I had the choice of product offerings from hundreds of corporations. The goods got to my house in a vehicle built by one corporation, shipped to the local dealer corporation by another corporation, and fueled with the product of yet another corporation. Corporations provided the clothes I wore on the trip. The money I spent was generated by my corporation, which in turn obtains hugely valuable products and services from some of the largest corporations.
Just as I expect full value for my dollars spent, and spend them with my choice of the most competitive providers, I seek to provide full value for the products and services I deliver to others.
I cannot afford to pay workers more than they are worth, or I will go out of business. The corporations I do business with to procure the bounty of the 21st century for my own use similarly cannot pay workers more than they are worth. Nor can they or I hire people that are not needed. By the same token, no corporation can pass up the chance to hire people who are productive, and available on a profitable basis.
What is the big objection to a system that encourages us to be of value to others? You think your birth certificate is a meal ticket; I know my birth certificate was only good for admission to the game.
Great idea! Let's have all the Obama supporters start their own businesses and hire people not because they need to, but just so that more people have high-paying jobs. That'll fix things!
I hear there are a bunch of black and native farmers who just landed a cash cow judgement against the USDA and the taxpayer. Certainly they have the funds to hire Americans to work their farms! Let us see them hire per Obama.
He called them the evil empire and now wants to tell them what to do what he says? He need to realise he sent them inot the hunkered down position by his policies.
What Ever happened To America's Effective political Leaders ???
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Originally Posted by nononsenseguy
Is Obama daft?
"...President Obama announced that U.S. business leaders had an obligation, yes an obligation, to the country to hire more workers, pay better wages and keep jobs in the country. He is now calling on American companies to see themselves as partners with the government saying: "That government and businesses have a mutual responsibilities; and that if we fulfill these obligations together, it benefits us all."
Does the President really think that the purpose of business is to hire people and provide jobs? Is he really so clueless about the employee/employer relationship?
The purpose of business is to provide some product or service for which there is a demand, and in so doing, to make a profit for the owners. In order to do this, they hire a workforce of men and women for which they pay a salary or wage in accordance with the value (determined largely by the job market) of their service to the company. This is mutually agreed upon at the time a person is hired (except in the case of Union employees, who are paid according to what the Union determines is the correct value for that workers service — anyone see a problem with that relationship?).
A business isn't a charity. Nor does it exist to assist government in some scheme to assure every person has a job. It does not exist to further some notion or pipe dream of "economic democracy" (a Marxist/socialist idea — are we getting a picture here?).
This is what you get when you elect a "Community Organizer" (a.k.a. "community agitator") to hold the highest office in the land.
It is the job of government, not business, to ensure the kind of economic climate where business can prosper. That is what is meant by the clause in the Constitution, "promote the General Welfare". This means that the government should stay out of the way and not impede the growth of business with burdensome regulation and over taxation. Those two things alone are job killers.
As we remember Ronald Reagan on the 100th aniversary of his birth, Mr. Obama would do well to remember his words, "Government is not the solution to our problems. Government is the problem"
nononsenseguy !!! ... Absolutely !
Indeed ... So many Americans are experiencing absolute disbelief at the incredible ineffectiveness of HO & Crew !
America is truly on the ropes and taking one heck of a beating as a direct result of such unprecedented foolishness from it's top political leadership
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May the Saint's Preserve us All !!! Cheerio / Old Sgt. Lamar
Obama's total lack of comprehension of the miracle of American prosperity is being reflected in his true believers.
We business people already understand that we are replaceable--that if we fail to add value to the rest of society, we will be out of business. We thrive by exercise of virtue, the virtue of being of value--demonstrated by free people choosing our products and services and voluntarily paying us. This is why we cannot pay you more than you are worth: we cannot afford to water down the value proposition we offer to our customers.
No you pay yourselves more than you're worth. You stockpile 2 trillion in cash. You give yourselves huge bonuses while others struggle to pay the rent. You can be easily replaced by someone who will work for half the salary and be happy with that amount and then distribute the rest to employees, or hire new workers, thus increasing consumption, and leading to additional hiring. Simple concepts.
JOBS ARE NOT CHARITY to be donated to society by business. But the president seems to believe that, and so do you. Just as businesses prosper by being of value to the rest of society, employees prosper by being of value to business. No value? No job. Some value, but over-priced by union contract or minimum wage law? No job. Every person in the country who can help a business be of greater service to the rest of society, at a profit, has a job.
People aren't going to sit by idly and starve. Is that what you expect? I agree you shouldn't have to hire people unnecessarily, however worker productivity is up. I hear it all the time. Salaries aren't going up though. Additionally there is plenty of work of value that can be done that isn't. The only reason it isn't is because businesses want lower taxes so they can pay their large bonuses and shareholders.
The president thinks business needs to be hectored or regulated or coerced into hiring, they do not. The moral imperative of any business matches up perfectly with its economic imperative to make money: be of value to the rest of society. The more value rendered, the higher the profit. My greed forces me to serve you. Your greed should force you to be an outstanding employee.
This is highly debateable. Most of the corporate banking industry offers little value to society other than leaching off more money. If they weren't everywhere and Americans weren't so transient a culture then perhaps more choice may be available.
We can argue the same about those that sell cheaply made, low quality goods, but because they're cheap they can obtain more business from, gain a more secure economic foothold and strongarm others out of business. Again they are prospering based on the low budgets of the masses, not much true value to society.
Obama does not have the first clue about the American system of freedom and prosperity.
American prosperity is due in no small part to the geographic advantages that we had during WWI and WWII we only border 2 other countries and are seperated from the rest of the industrialized world by large bodies of water, as well as the advantages of a climate that allowed easier food production, and retrieval of natural resources. This allowed for military might and the ability to dictate prices on natural resources obtained from other countries (such as oil).
That combined with strong unions which allowed prosperity to be shared by the masses is what made America a prosperous nation. This enabled mass purchasing power and made us the largest economy in the world.
While the American Republic is a great acheivement. America used to be a country that allowed for all of its individuals to be able to advance to their fullest potential. This has changed over the past 30 years as the economic gap widens and it becomes more difficult to achieve higher education, gain "skills" and advance in socioeconomic class.
To be a truly great nation prosperity must be had by the masses not a few elitist people. American prosperity has been on the decline since Reagan and his regressive tax policies. At the moment we are sliding backwards towards an era where the rich hid inside their castles, and the poor were on the outside, subservient. Its fairly evident by looking at the data. The economic gap widens, advancement becomes more difficult.
America does not have a system of freedom and prosperity. Many other countries have very similar systems. America lucked out in geographical location which allowed it to become a superpower. This will change though as the business "leaders" sell us out to China and India.
oes the President really think that the purpose of business is to hire people and provide jobs? Is he really so clueless about the employee/employer relationship?
I think he knows what would take for a capitalistic society to survive. If businesses keep digging underground trenches, the only outcome would be that the ground would eventually give in and the businesses will be buried. Look no further than the 2000s.
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Absolutely !
Additionally there is plenty of work of value that can be done that isn't. The only reason it isn't is because businesses want lower taxes so they can pay their large bonuses and shareholders.
