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Old 07-02-2012, 06:17 AM
 
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I pay about $35 a week in road use taxes. I dont have a problem doing so as I use roads. High speed rail is something I would never use and it would just be added to the list of things I dont use and am forced to pay for.

Ya want high speed rail , pull a bond and pay for it with ticket sales.
User fees and gas taxes only cover about 20% of the cost to maintain roads and none of the cost to actually construct roads. Sorry, but user fees do not pay for roads as 80% of maintenance costs and 100% of original construction costs come from general government funds.
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Old 07-02-2012, 06:36 AM
 
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Building high-speed trains will obviously create jobs. But they have potential to do even more. Say a high speed train gets built in rural Iowa. These folks would be able to commute to Chicago or St. Louis to work for a fraction of the time it would take to drive.

During previous recessions, people would pack up and move to cities with job growth. Now, due to the dismal housing market, people are less likely to move away.

These high-speed trains can change the way we think about commuting. They can let people in rural areas compete for jobs in the city.

U.S. unveils $53 billion in high-speed rail plan - Yahoo! News
This high-speed rail would, I presume, be named Amtrak, and would be operated and maintained so poorly that people simply quit riding?
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Old 07-02-2012, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Building high-speed trains will obviously create jobs. But they have potential to do even more. Say a high speed train gets built in rural Iowa. These folks would be able to commute to Chicago or St. Louis to work for a fraction of the time it would take to drive.

During previous recessions, people would pack up and move to cities with job growth. Now, due to the dismal housing market, people are less likely to move away.

These high-speed trains can change the way we think about commuting. They can let people in rural areas compete for jobs in the city.

U.S. unveils $53 billion in high-speed rail plan - Yahoo! News


Are Chicago and St. Louis experiencing a shortage of workers such that they need to be imported from Iowa?

If we do this, won't people in Chicago and St. Louis find themselves unemployed because someone from Iowa took their job?

Won't this provide a glut of workers which will drive down wages and reduce benefits (health insurance)?
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Old 07-02-2012, 09:36 AM
 
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Perfect so long as private industry creates it, sells, it and profits from it.

The private sector cannot possibly do it. They do not have the power of eminent domain. Adding rail will violently shift real estate values in and around the rail system. Not only will this distort the ability to acquire land, but there will be no way for a private sector to recover this values with taxation.

Funny how cars, which use public roads, are considered an entirely private affair. Cars are a heavily subsidized industry from public funds.
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Old 07-02-2012, 03:38 PM
 
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User fees and gas taxes only cover about 20% of the cost to maintain roads and none of the cost to actually construct roads. Sorry, but user fees do not pay for roads as 80% of maintenance costs and 100% of original construction costs come from general government funds.

And I pay income taxes too.
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Old 07-02-2012, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Youngstown, Oh.
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And I pay income taxes too.
So do I. And I don't even own a car. So if you think rail should pay for itself, it's only fair that highways should, too.
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Old 07-02-2012, 04:56 PM
 
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They said the same thing about building Interstate highways.





President Dwight Eisenhower and America's Interstate Highway System » HistoryNet

Yeah, turns out the critics were wrong.

The interstate highway system works just fine.

In fact, it works so well that we don't need high speed rail.

Just because some critics were wrong once doesn't mean all critics are wrong all the time.
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Old 07-02-2012, 04:57 PM
 
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So do I. And I don't even own a car. So if you think rail should pay for itself, it's only fair that highways should, too.

I dont have a problem with that.
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Old 07-02-2012, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Youngstown, Oh.
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Yeah, turns out the critics were wrong.

The interstate highway system works just fine.

In fact, it works so well that we don't need high speed rail.

Just because some critics were wrong once doesn't mean all critics are wrong all the time.
As long as you don't mind being forced to use a car...

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I dont have a problem with that.
Well, since that has a snowball's chance in hell of happening anytime in the foreseeable future, lets expand our focus on building/improving transportation infrastructure that doesn't require an automobile to use. (I don't happen to care all that much about "high speed" rail; any additional rail would do.)
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Old 07-04-2012, 01:40 AM
 
Location: Fairfax County, VA
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That's the dumbest thing I've ever read.
That's the dumbest thing I've ever read.
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