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Old 03-01-2011, 02:41 PM
 
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Multiculturalism seemed to work generations ago when people came to this country through Ellis Island to make it their new homeland. There was a good work ethic and a sense of community consisted of everyone in that particular community working toward the same goals and a pride in becoming law abiding, tax paying Americans.

Not so today - people seem more intent on bringing their homelands here and expecting this country to change to conform to ways alien to the US. They want the freebies that we're foolish enough to hand out and they don't respect our laws, our language or our flag.

Multiculturalism today is fracturing this country and is a total failure.
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Old 03-01-2011, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Multiculturalism seemed to work generations ago when people came to this country through Ellis Island to make it their new homeland. There was a good work ethic and a sense of community consisted of everyone in that particular community working toward the same goals and a pride in becoming law abiding, tax paying Americans.
So true...

All 4 of my grandparents were immigrants. Three came through Ellis island, and one the port of Philadelphia... where he jumped ship.

They all settled in Erie, PA near the intersection of West 17th Street and Walnut. It was an Italian speaking community that quickly renamed the several blocks surrounding it as the "Volnati." They set up Italian stores, where all the signs were in Italian, cooked Italian food, played Italian music, kept up with the tradition of arranged marriages and stuff like that for at least one more generation. They all flew Italian flags in front of their homes on Columbus Day.

My mother's father ran the Erie lake shore from Buffalo to Cleveland, first as a bootlegger and then the numbers rackets. He was connected with the Bonanno family of New York.

They sent a certain amount of their money home to support their families back in the old country. Just prior to WWII, most of the women melted down all their jewelry and sent the gold to Mussolini to support his war efforts in Africa.

You know... maybe I should stop while I'm ahead.

Never mind.
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Old 03-01-2011, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Multiculturalism seemed to work generations ago when people came to this country through Ellis Island to make it their new homeland. There was a good work ethic and a sense of community consisted of everyone in that particular community working toward the same goals and a pride in becoming law abiding, tax paying Americans.

Not so today - people seem more intent on bringing their homelands here and expecting this country to change to conform to ways alien to the US. They want the freebies that we're foolish enough to hand out and they don't respect our laws, our language or our flag.

Multiculturalism today is fracturing this country and is a total failure.
Multiculturalism was created by leftists in the 1970s. Prior to that, we had assimilation. Immigrants who came to the US (the legal ones of course) were required to learn US history and the English language. For the past 40 years we have been catering to the needs of immigrants, instead of integrating them into American society and culture. The US is only a "melting pot" when there is assimilation, not when there is multiculturalism.
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Old 03-01-2011, 03:43 PM
 
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One after another European Leader has come out and stated that multiculturalism has failed in their countries. These include both moderate and conservative leaders in Germany, France and Germany.

Multiculturalism has failed, says French president - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110210/wl_afp/francepoliticsimmigrationsociety - broken link)

Do you think a major American Political Leader would be so bold as to make this statement about what is happening in America. (A balkanized society, especially outside the workplace)

Should we admit as a nation that multiculturalism has failed as America has become more ethnically and culturally diverse? Or do you believe that multiculturalism is a great success both here and in Europe?
Multiculturism CANNOT succeed for it is its own demise.

A nation is a group of people held together by common factors - language, customs, religion etc., i.e. "culture". You could take the people from England, for example, transplant them all to some other unpopulated place, and bammo, England would have a new mailing address.

You can think of a bale of hay. You have individual pieces of hay, they are not identical, but they are similar to each other - at least not to the point of being drastically different. They are held together by wires into a tight bundle that withstands the wind and stays unified.

A nation is like that. The individual pieces of hay are analagous to the people, similar in nature, but not necessarily cookie-cutter.

They are held together by wires, i.e. commonality of language, custom, religion, etc. True, there is no need for absoluteness in any characteristic, i.e. not everyone has to be of the same religion, or speak the same language, but the majority has to.

If you start weakening these wires, cutting some completely through, and weaking others, soon your bale of hay springs apart to be blown apart and away by the wind.

That is what happens when you attempt multiculturalism. The culture IS the nation, and the nations IS the culture.
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Old 03-01-2011, 03:55 PM
 
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Multiculturism CANNOT succeed for it is its own demise.

A nation is a group of people held together by common factors - language, customs, religion etc., i.e. "culture". You could take the people from England, for example, transplant them all to some other unpopulated place, and bammo, England would have a new mailing address.

You can think of a bale of hay. You have individual pieces of hay, they are not identical, but they are similar to each other - at least not to the point of being drastically different. They are held together by wires into a tight bundle that withstands the wind and stays unified.

A nation is like that. The individual pieces of hay are analagous to the people, similar in nature, but not necessarily cookie-cutter.

They are held together by wires, i.e. commonality of language, custom, religion, etc. True, there is no need for absoluteness in any characteristic, i.e. not everyone has to be of the same religion, or speak the same language, but the majority has to.

If you start weakening these wires, cutting some completely through, and weaking others, soon your bale of hay springs apart to be blown apart and away by the wind.

That is what happens when you attempt multiculturalism. The culture IS the nation, and the nations IS the culture.
Actually they took a group of people from England and transported them and bammo they were NOT Englishman they were Australians with their own history traditions and culture that while being quite similar to England in many ways it also has its own distinct and unique language dialect and culture which is quite different than England. In the meantime people from Asia, the Middle East and other parts of the world have immigrated to Australia and added their own unique cultural aspects to Australia.

Australians felt so culturally and historically distinct from the English they established their own sovereignty. In fact an Australian would be insulted if you called him or her English.

The culture is NOT the nation it's one aspect of the nation. In an increasingly connected world more and more people are traveling to other countries are going to face cultural influences from other countries. The process of globalization has made this inevitable and impossible to stop.
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Old 03-01-2011, 04:16 PM
 
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Actually they took a group of people from England and transported them and bammo they were NOT Englishman they were Australians with their own history traditions and culture that while being quite similar to England in many ways it also has its own distinct and unique language dialect and culture which is quite different than England. In the meantime people from Asia, the Middle East and other parts of the world have immigrated to Australia and added their own unique cultural aspects to Australia.

Australians felt so culturally and historically distinct from the English they established their own sovereignty. In fact an Australian would be insulted if you called him or her English.

The culture is NOT the nation it's one aspect of the nation. In an increasingly connected world more and more people are traveling to other countries are going to face cultural influences from other countries. The process of globalization has made this inevitable and impossible to stop.
Well, nice try, (not really), but no cigar.

You didn't read very carefully. Here is a quote from my post "transplant them all to some other unpopulated place". I bolded the word you need to pay attention to.

Accordingly, while your disertation about the penal colony Australia is interesting, it is not quite on point, and certainly does anything BUT disprove what I said.

As you have noted, and anyone can see, there is a great deal more that they have in common than not, so your example made my point for me, not for you.

Furthermore, overwhelmingly, the difference you see now evolved over time as they lived apart from England and developed their own culture, so a closer analysis shows that your post STRONGLY SUPPORTS what I said, and I thank you for it.
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Old 03-01-2011, 04:22 PM
 
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Actually they took a group of people from England and transported them and bammo they were NOT Englishman they were Australians with their own history traditions and culture that while being quite similar to England in many ways it also has its own distinct and unique language dialect and culture which is quite different than England. In the meantime people from Asia, the Middle East and other parts of the world have immigrated to Australia and added their own unique cultural aspects to Australia.

Australians felt so culturally and historically distinct from the English they established their own sovereignty. In fact an Australian would be insulted if you called him or her English.

The culture is NOT the nation it's one aspect of the nation. In an increasingly connected world more and more people are traveling to other countries are going to face cultural influences from other countries. The process of globalization has made this inevitable and impossible to stop.
One other point, when England set up the penal colony, it didn't BAMMO become Australia, as you have so emphatically and eroneously stated. Instead, it slowly evolved into a distinct country, very similar in most ways, but different, nontheless, from the mother country.

There was no, as you erroneosly suggest, "BAMMO" to it. You stand corrected - again.
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Old 03-01-2011, 04:22 PM
 
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Multiculturalism was created by leftists in the 1970s.
The term may have been coined in the 70's but the U.S. was multicultural long before it was a country.

When did those assimilating Amish get here? Oh, yeah 1740!
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Old 03-04-2011, 04:18 AM
 
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[quote=ElizNJ;18089548]Multiculturalism seemed to work generations ago when people came to this country through Ellis Island to make it their new homeland. There was a good work ethic and a sense of community consisted of everyone in that particular community working toward the same goals and a pride in becoming law abiding, tax paying Americans.

Not so today - people seem more intent on bringing their homelands here and expecting this country to change to conform to ways alien to the US. They want the freebies that we're foolish enough to hand out and they don't respect our laws, our language or our flag.

What America do you live in? I lived in the most diverse state in the union and saw hardworking immigrants living out their dream exercising their rights.

I saw law abiding citizens trying to learn the language with minimal resources to do so.

So what if they held on to some of their cultural past. GOOD! That's not a bad thing. It enriches us as Americans to the outside world.

In Korea, they hire American teachers as to bring WESTERN culture here. They tend to shy away from gyopo (Korean Americans) since they fear that they are too Korean to teach about American culture.

Having a knowledge and experiencing different cultures peacefully is GOOD.
It enables a country to be proficient about the outside world.
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Old 03-04-2011, 04:24 AM
 
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A culturally homogeneous America never will and never has existed. Period.
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