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Well, folks, the New Egypt hasn't taken long to rear its ugly head.
This guy is always referred to as a "moderate" by the media here. With "moderates" like this, who needs the Muslim Brotherhood????
The writer of the article correctly states: "With democracy comes responsibility. The Egyptian people may find that out relatively soon, as even some of its non-Muslim Brotherhood emerging leaders seem hellbent on war with Israel......
If Egypt elects Nour President, and Nour follows through on his threat, the Egyptian people will get the democracy they want, and bear the consequences."
The belligerence and the threat to stability that will be coming from the new Egypt is obvious. They will be climbing over each other in an effort to prove to the masses who can be more warlike.
How sad, irresponsible,..........and dangerous.
I clicked through to the article in an attempted to find out what Nour actually said. Apparently the only portion of Nour's comment that was published is:
“The Camp David Accords are finished"..."Egypt has to at least conduct negotiations over conditions of the agreement.”
I have no idea what Nour is trying to get at, but I think the key phrase here is "conduct negotiations". It would have been nice if the Jerusalem Post would have put the comment into some kind of context.
FWIW 99+% of Egypt's population have always been in the 5 mile, actually more, wide strip of irrigated land in the Nile Valley. That is the only area that can maintain a agricultural population density. The fact that there are now 80 million of them is the result of religious traditions (have as many children as you can) based on much higher infant and female mortality than under modern medical practice and availability.
The long term solution is for the younger generation of women to limit their fecundity to two or fewer children. Then the next couple of generations will see the population decrease to closer to the carrying capacity of the place. It is their decision to do this or not.
a) Why do you consider the Egyptian movement a problem to you?
I don't. I'm thrilled that Mubarak is gone and now Egyptians can finally have the ability to have the government they want. My fear is that a new radical Islamist government like in Iran will take over (which will be WORSE than Mubarak) and not only wreak havoc in Egypt and with its people, but cause instability in the Middle East and with Israel.
This is a problem. Yes, I care about Egypt and its people's well being and for the world. Sorry if that annoys you.
b) Are you an American?
What a joke. I'm not answering this question, unless one is illiterate they probably know the answer.
Disagreeing with YOU doesn't make one less of an American (maybe under your "regime", but not here, sorry).
a) Considering your first response to my post, I think you're concerned about Israel more than you're glad about Egypt. Where we differ is, that I'm glad for Egypt, and couldn't care less for Israel.
b) It is a valid question to anybody who pushes for an intrusive foreign policy. Anytime I see protectionism for Israel being primary concern, I have to ask, just so I know who I might be talking to.
My blood, my taxes, our men and women in armed forces are not willing servants to any country and or their political gains.
My blood, my taxes and our men and women in armed forces are here in the protection of our CONSTITUTION and our individual liberties.
What happens in the rest of the world is not our business while we can be informed and have diplomacy on issues that might EFFECT our freedoms we must stay out of others affairs.
I am not doing anything but watchinghow things play out, I would like for the folks there to elect a moderate leader intheir elections, who would improve domestic situations for the people, and keep current peace treaties in place...
See, that is the problem. If Egyptians have a bad taste in their mouth from their (now) ex-government's relationship with Israel, why do you think it is Egyptians who should ensure that the peace treaties remain in place? Is it not Israel's responsibility as well to ensure it is not dishonest and respects Egyptians?
FWIW 99+% of Egypt's population have always been in the 5 mile, actually more, wide strip of irrigated land in the Nile Valley. That is the only area that can maintain a agricultural population density. The fact that there are now 80 million of them is the result of religious traditions (have as many children as you can) based on much higher infant and female mortality than under modern medical practice and availability.
The long term solution is for the younger generation of women to limit their fecundity to two or fewer children. Then the next couple of generations will see the population decrease to closer to the carrying capacity of the place. It is their decision to do this or not.
Yes agree and am aware of all that, I was in Egypt a few months ago. The question is - 1.) Will the people be willing to limit their population growth (possible requiring China-like, definetly anti-democratic government means of encouragement), and 2.) Will the people be patient enough to wait? (and, a couple generations will not be the answer they want).
See, that is the problem. If Egyptians have a bad taste in their mouth from their (now) ex-government's relationship with Israel, why do you think it is Egyptians who should ensure that the peace treaties remain in place? Is it not Israel's responsibility as well to ensure it is not dishonest and respects Egyptians?
Any peace treaty is a 2 way street, but it is not in anyone's interests to move into armed conflict. I would like to see rationale people making decisions, not people making decision based on extreme views in any direction. Strong leaders, have ideas, and take responsiblity on themselves, so regardless if Israel or any other country has a relationship with Egypt, it will be up to the new leaders to lead..and not wait on other countries to step up....and hopefully it will benefit all people of the country...
Yes agree and am aware of all that, I was in Egypt a few months ago. The question is - 1.) Will the people be willing to limit their population growth (possible requiring China-like, definetly anti-democratic government means of encouragement), and 2.) Will the people be patient enough to wait? (and, a couple generations will not be the answer they want).
1- Literacy can get a lot accomplished, without the need for politicians to decide how many kids in a family.
2- Patient enough for what?
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Originally Posted by Secchamps98
Any peace treaty is a 2 way street, but it is not in anyone's interests to move into armed conflict. I would like to see rationale people making decisions, not people making decision based on extreme views in any direction. Strong leaders, have ideas, and take responsiblity on themselves, so regardless if Israel or any other country has a relationship with Egypt, it will be up to the new leaders to lead..and not wait on other countries to step up....and hopefully it will benefit all people of the country...
As I said in my first post, what happens to the treaty with Israel will depend on how (Egyptian) people have seen it over the years. In all likelihood, it won't be to the liking of Israel and its interest groups. Strong leaders will take strong stands, but in the interest of the people. And strong stands may not bode well for Israel unless it changes its course. I'm pretty sure that Egyptians have a soft corner for Palestinians. Peace treaties will largely depend on how Israel goes about the very important subject. Do you agree?
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