Wisconsin Assembly Passes Anti-Union Bill (politicians, parties, education system, Illinois)
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The Democrats didn't have much choice in the matter in Wisconsin in the assembly (house). Even if all of them walked out, the Republicans could still vote.
The Senate has rules similar to the filibuster, that if none of the Democratic Senators are there, then the Senate can't be called to order, and thus it stops government.
Its up to the people of Wisconsin on what they want. I've seen conflicting polls. Most folks want the Union to pay for their benefits, but they don't seem to support the collective bargaining ban in the same numbers.
Its their states thing, and I'll let them decide. It doesn't make a difference to me. I know if my state governor called for the police to track down Senators and force them to vote, I'd be one mad SOB.
Why would you be mad?
These people were elected to do a job. The job location is in the capitol casting votes. They should be there.
By your reasoning all minority members, city, county state federal, need not ever show up because the majority is going to out vote them.
Actually the Right's days are numbered. The long term demographics work against them and they are alienating many people in the Midwest where the labor movement is stronger than any other part of the country. This move is going to cost the Republicans the 2012 presidental election.
IMO, you are way wrong. There are many more non gov't employees than there are gov't employees.
In these states the voters elected the repubs over the dems who had been in charge for years because their states are broke and the dems are seen as tax and spend. The people have had enough. The people want to get their states back to fiscal solvency.
Decades of support of the Dems by the unions finally got in the way of sensible economic reform. the Dems will lose their main supply of cash not because of political intent but because it was a poor economic practice. Loss of the Dems faucet to taxpayer money via unions is a lucky side effect.
Claims of union busting are ridiculous as the unions can still exist but on their own merit instead of mandating compulsory membership.
The unions happen to build their house in the path of a future economic freeway. It sure must feel like union busting to the dems and union elite but to the taxpayers and union members it finally looks like they get a say as to where their hard earned money goes.
Wis. Assembly passes bill taking away union rights
Wis. Assembly passes bill taking away union rights - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_wisconsin_budget_unions - broken link)
Do you people just make up stuff to deliberately mislead people? They haven't trashed the capital--they're keeping it amazingly clean--volunteers are scrubbing floors, cleaning bathrooms, and buying supplies out of their own pockets to take care of the capital. I'd take the reports with a grain of salt, except that I have two sisters who've BEEN THERE. Again--they've kept it amazingly clean.
Actually the Right's days are numbered. The long term demographics work against them and they are alienating many people in the Midwest where the labor movement is stronger than any other part of the country. This move is going to cost the Republicans the 2012 presidental election.
That's just it. There are lots of fairly moderate republican union members out here (I live in the midwest) and they're TICKED OFF about this. We didn't vote for this kind of garbage.
You know the strategy being floated around with many of the moderate R's? Take back the party. Work hard for moderate candidates in the primary, and if a radical gets nominated--vote for the Democrat in the general. You want to see an uprising by the middle class? Watch a voting block of traditional republicans hold their nose to vote democrat vs. putting up with this kind of garbage out of our own party. Enough.
It's interesting that the side that wildly accuses people of being socialists for attempting to correct inequities is arguing that it's unfair that teachers get benefits, have unions, or whatnot. Hmm, sounds like the other side is now guilty of using the socialist, equality, and let's level the playing field talking points. Hey, why not go argue your case to the boss or CEO of your company. Tell him/her that you want better pay and more benefits and see how much they do for you. After all government isn't the answer right, then go change things in the private sector and right this wrong!!
Let me have a whack at your ramble.
1. Nobody ever said public employees should not have benefits. It just does not seem right that they have 74 cents in benefits per dollar of compensation, TRIPLE the average of the private sector employees who pay the taxes that provide the benefits.
2. The solution is not to raise private sector benefits to unsustainable levels. I am the CEO (I also take out the trash) so I know full well that the cost of benefits comes out of the finite pool of value generated by employees, based on their usefulness to the company (and indirectly, to the rest of society.) Unlike public sector employees, for me, "benefits" are not some money-tree by which I or my union can carve out value I did not earn.
That's just it. There are lots of fairly moderate republican union members out here (I live in the midwest) and they're TICKED OFF about this. We didn't vote for this kind of garbage.
You know the strategy being floated around with many of the moderate R's? Take back the party. Work hard for moderate candidates in the primary, and if a radical gets nominated--vote for the Democrat in the general. You want to see an uprising by the middle class? Watch a voting block of traditional republicans hold their nose to vote democrat vs. putting up with this kind of garbage out of our own party. Enough.
Ticked off, that union dues are not automatically paid?
At last, politicians who listen to the voters who elected them and keep their campaign promises. The voters of Wisconsin clearly understood what the Gov and the Republican legislators wanted to do if elected, and they voted for the Gov and the Republican majority based on their platform.
It's time for the Democrat cry baby, runaway cowards in the WI Senate to man up and come back and face the music. This whole "if I can't get my way...then I'll take my bat and ball and go to Illinois" is just crap.
I hope every teacher, fire fighter, police officer, sanatary worker, etc... goes on strike on Monday and shuts the state down. I KNOW none will ever vote for the sort of POS they have as Gov now, and a reminder, not all union workers are Dems, enjoy the show, the days of right-wing rule is ticking down quickly in Wis and the Nation.
Casper
The people of Wisc voted for him and the repubs knowing full well what he was going to do. He told them. The union told them.
If they didn't know then they are not smart enouh to be teachers, etc.
You may not be aware, the MSM won't report it, one of the issues he is addressing in collective bargainin is this example. The state runs several parks. The union under dem control agreed to allowing the park employees to work 7 to 3:30. No other shifts are authorized. If the park wanted to stay open past 3:30 as is very likely, overtime has to be paid.
I am not against paying overtime when the situation is needed but, why can't they have staggering shifts so people are on duty after 3;30? The union would not agree to any consesssion o this issue.
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hijacked unions subsidize the Dems...
. Hey, why not go argue your case to the boss or CEO of your company. Tell him/her that you want better pay and more benefits and see how much they do for you. After all government isn't the answer right, then go change things in the private sector and right this wrong!!
