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Reminds me of an Ayn Rand novel where the protagonist writes about once people lose their capacity to work, they are shipped off to the "Hall of the Useless" where they can wait for death.
Lets think realistically.
How effective do you think 60 or 65 year old policemen and firemen would be? How about 65 year old teachers given how many of the kids are behaved today?
You may argue "oh they can just retrain and reenter the market". How many jobs would be looking for someone in their late 50s or 60s.
Unfortunately many of these jobs the age often limits effectiveness. However that doesn't entitle people like you to kick them to the curb once they can't serve you anymore.
If you don't want to pay their pensions and healthcare. Pay them enough now so they can adequately save. Given the education level most teachers have, they're pretty underpaid. A well paid nanny or a CNA can make almost as much as a teacher in AZ. Pretty pathetic. Definetly not enough to make adequate savings or pay off student loans.
Firefighters and policemen....given the risks they face daily, not just violent people, but people with communicable diseases, hazardous work environments, they're also getting paid pretty crappy if you want to take away the pensions.
If anyone should be punished for the current situation, it should be the politicians who created the unrealistic expectations and the idiots who voted them in without thinking about what's realistic.
Another liberal asking for more handouts.
1. Teachers in the public sector are paid more than teachers in the parochial school system.
2. Teachers know the income they will earn and chose their career.
3. Your anecdote of a kid bullying an older teacher is an anecdote. In our parochial high school, that student would have been laid out by the friendly school security and fellow students. Thugs need to be expelled. That problem to which you refer is the problem with schools today- no discipline courtesy of the teacher's union and the trial lawyer's association.
4. Live within your means during your working life and you will be able to save. Everyone today lives like a millionaire, as they feel they deserve it. There are people in our neighborhood who make one tenth my income, yet live at the same level. Live within your means.
5. People can still work after 65. I certainly plan on doing so (if I survive to that age). My father is 82 and still works. Work is good for you and keeps a sharp mind, maintains interaction with other adults, and keeps one fit. Retirement is a curse and a death sentence.
My brother and I were playing golf in Florida about ten years ago with a retired fire fighter from New York. The guy was 54 and was living in a very nice area. We asked him how the hell he could afford to live where he was living and how he could be retired at such a young age. He revealed that his "pension" allowed him to retire two years earlier at a lifetime salary of $95K per year with built in increases for inflation.
That is where the tax dollars of the cities, states, and feds are going. Do you realize that at a 5% return that it takes $2 million to generate that annual revenue?
Let public employees fund their retirement as the rest of us do- by saving and investing.
That sounds really nice to me and is more than most get.
Just curious. Why do you think your employer or former employee should be responsible for you health/health care?
Where did this idea come from.
Are you serious? You are seriously going to go from "100% benefits paid" to "$100 covered by the board" and still say that it is too much?
They are called benefits for a reason my friend, and I really don't think that the school board covering $100 in retirement is any great perk. The idea comes from the fact that compared to the private sector, our salaries are lower. The benefits help to make up for that. And trust me, here in VA, we do make lower salaries than the private sector.
Because of course there's NO ONE on the right riding thru retirement on government pensions, eh? Keep it coming, Spring is near and that manure does make great fertilizer!
Liberals: when in doubt allude to the right wing.
I'm the libertarian right and I think all tax payer funded pensions should be done away with regardless of party.
Are you serious? You are seriously going to go from "100% benefits paid" to "$100 covered by the board" and still say that it is too much?
They are called benefits for a reason my friend, and I really don't think that the school board covering $100 in retirement is any great perk. The idea comes from the fact that compared to the private sector, our salaries are lower. The benefits help to make up for that. And trust me, here in VA, we do make lower salaries than the private sector.
Yes I think $100 a month is very generous. I certainly will not get this when I retire. I don't see why frankly they should give you anything. Please don't get upset by my opinion on this.
I think people should take care of themselves and why should a company continue to pay a persons health care when they are no longer working for them?
I think teacher get payed pretty well actually. I have many family members in education. They make good salaries and have a lot of time off. Teachers don't work as many hours or days as most professionals.
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Liberals: when in doubt allude to the right wing.
BULL! NO doubt here!
The post I responded to made a lame attempt at labeling this a partisan problem. I'm alluding to nothing, simply stating the right sucks Americas teat as much as any other group, as in Congress people crying SOCIALISM! while cashing their farm subsidy check, they just self-Righteously whine about things more.
So let's take a teacher with 18 years. She makes $41,964 a year. She contributes $942/mo for a family health care plan with a $500 deductable. Now, I know that somebody stomp their feet and say, "That's better than I get", but seriously is this so generous? Oh, and she's not the one complaining.
2. Teachers know the income they will earn and chose their career.
4. Live within your means during your working life and you will be able to save. Everyone today lives like a millionaire, as they feel they deserve it. There are people in our neighborhood who make one tenth my income, yet live at the same level. Live within your means.
I'll say it agan, your on fire hawkeye!
Point 2 and 4 are imparative!
I do hear many educators complaining about their "low salary."
My brother and sister-in-law are teachers and they work 7 1/2 hour days with an hour for planning. They get a lot of days off; so many holidays, spring break, Christmas (weeks), New Years, Thanksgiving, and many more. Besides the entire summer.
They both are happy in their jobs (high school) feel secure and content. They don't feel ultra stressed by the job, in fear of losing their job due to the economy, or getting a "pay cut" like so many these days.
Teachers have a pretty good deal and that is why so many people want into the profession.
Yes I think $100 a month is very generous. I certainly will not get this when I retire. I don't see why frankly they should give you anything. Please don't get upset by my opinion on this.
I think people should take care of themselves and why should a company continue to pay a persons health care when they are no longer working for them?
I think teacher get payed pretty well actually. I have many family members in education. They make good salaries and have a lot of time off. Teachers don't work as many hours or days as most professionals.
Where do your family members teach? I would have to offer that not all teachers are making those "good salaries" and the benefits help to offset the lower salary under a 195 or 200 day contract. If the benefits are dropped, would you be willing to raise the pay and offer some type of matching annuity/401k contributions?
Edit: In response to your post above, I'm not complaining about my "low salary". It is others who are complaining about my "high salary". As far as pay cuts, my take home pay has gone down each of the past three years. Step one salaries have also been reduced.
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while cashing their farm subsidy check, they just self-Righteously whine about things more. 
"That's better than I get", but seriously is this so generous? Oh, and she's not the one complaining.
