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I see that you don't mind an Islamist government strangling us because we don't produce our own oil and have to import it from whoever can get it here. I get a kick out of you people and your use of the word, fascist.
We do produce oil, the only problem is that we use 25% of the world's oil and we only have 4% of the world's reserves.
Telling a country, region, and people what to do with their lives from around the world is fascism. I'm sorry you can't accept your own thoughts, but that's what you are supporting.
It's very unlikely Egypt will become a caliphate. Radical Islam isn't the source of the uprising. It isn't mullahs who led the protests. It's people in their 20s on Facebook.
It is still a danger that Egypt will be a military dictatorship, not unlike Libya of the past 40 years.
But the U.S. isn't exactly without ammo in this case --- and not literal ammo. The U.S. supplies billions of dollars to other countries in aid every year. Unless things have changed since I last saw statistics, the #1 recipient of U.S. money is Israel. #2 is Egypt. Whoever ends up in control of Egypt, it is in their best interst to play nice with the U.S. Without U.S. dollars, there simply is no Egyptian military. They'll be fighting with sticks and rocks. And there is no longer a Soviet Union to fall back on.
The closest thing to a true caliphate in the Middle East these days is Saudi Arabia, who are buddy-buddies with the GOP and the oil companies who fund them.
It's very unlikely Egypt will become a caliphate. Radical Islam isn't the source of the uprising. It isn't mullahs who led the protests. It's people in their 20s on Facebook.
It is still a danger that Egypt will be a military dictatorship, not unlike Libya of the past 40 years.
But the U.S. isn't exactly without ammo in this case --- and not literal ammo. The U.S. supplies billions of dollars to other countries in aid every year. Unless things have changed since I last saw statistics, the #1 recipient of U.S. money is Israel. #2 is Egypt. Whoever ends up in control of Egypt, it is in their best interst to play nice with the U.S. Without U.S. dollars, there simply is no Egyptian military. They'll be fighting with sticks and rocks. And there is no longer a Soviet Union to fall back on.
The closest thing to a true caliphate in the Middle East these days is Saudi Arabia, who are buddy-buddies with the GOP and the oil companies who fund them.
Yes indeed, a 100% accurate & on target post.
These are NOT radical Islamists leading & organizing these revolts, these are thoroughly modern and relatively westernized young folks. That doesn't mean it CAN'T degrade into yet another military-backed dictatorship (particularly since the problems of some of these nations are severe) BUT even IF another dictator arises he won't last longe EITHER. Democracy is going to be a pretty much unstoppable force across the world.
Here is an opinion piece that I have to agree with. I wonder when some of the anti-Beck pundits will begin talking about how wrong he was when the Egyptian thing ended again. I notice that they, both sides, have toned down their talk.
It already is a religeous state. What about the protests don't you get. Do you really think that the majority of these countries, which are under the age of 30, want MORE oppression? They want democracy, and their voices to be heard. They want a say in their government. You would rather they stay oppressed so we can have our oil?
Originally posted by roysoldboy
All the pundits who keep attacking Beck for his talk about a Caliphate seem to have the same attitude you have. They mostly talk so loudly about the Egyptians winning in the name of democracy. Surely they don't see past the establishment of whatever the Egyptians end up with.
Would they bother you if they don't allow any oil ships to navigate the Suez Canal? That would raise the price of oil to the United States and surely that would be bothering your country. I guess you think we need to import more oil from Venezuala, huh?
Why are you and other right wingers automatically assuming that Democracy in the middle east = disaster? Of course revolutions are risky things. France (in 1789) and Iran turned out horribly. But look again at the U.S. and Eastern Europe, which are doing fine. This could go either way.
But the answer to this risk isn't to oppose peoples' desire for more freedom. What other countries do is their own business, as long as it doesn't hurt us. If they hurt or threaten us with an embargo...well...I guess we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Glenn Beck has no idea what will happen. Neither do I. We do not know the future. But we can't let fear of the future stifle the events of the present. And I support the good people of Egypt, Libya, Bahrain and Tunisia.
Signed,
A History teacher
PS. Does anyone else find it ironic that the same people who rail against Obama's "tyranny" don't support those who are actually suffering under real tyranny?
Will this new caliphate happen before or after Sunni and Shi'ite Muslims end their centuries of opposition towards one another? The Arab/Islamic nations can barely agree with one another concerning religious, political and social issues yet Beck expects this new caliphate to suddenly just spring up? Islam is not a unifying force in the Middle East.
Originally posted by Hellothere2000
Will this new caliphate happen before or after Sunni and Shi'ite Muslims end their centuries of opposition towards one another? The Arab/Islamic nations can barely agree with one another concerning religious, political and social issues yet Beck expects this new caliphate to suddenly just spring up? Islam is not a unifying force in the Middle East.
Well this whole Caliphate talk is just more evidence that he and others have no clue what they're talking about. The world's 1 billion+ muslims don't all think alike. Just like Christians, Muslims come from different cultural backgrounds and religious sects. Morocco is different from Saudi Arabia, Iran and Indonesia. You can only believe in a caliphate if you think that all muslims are the same, which, as anyone with half a brain would know, they aren't.
PS. Does anyone else find it ironic that the same people who rail against Obama's "tyranny" don't support those who are actually suffering under real tyranny?
That's because those folks don't REALLY believe in Democracy - they just believe what they think is best for THEM and they somehow think that oppression of folks in the Middle East is somehow better for THEM. In other words they are really just autocrats masquarading as folks who believe in Democracy.
Folks that REALLY believe in Democracy believe in EVERYONE'S right to pursue it - not just US.
Ken
Last edited by LordBalfor; 02-26-2011 at 09:29 PM..
Originally posted by LordBalfor
That's because those folks don't REALLY believe in Democracy - they just believe what they think is best for THEM and they somehow think that oppression of folks in the Middle East is somehow better for THEM. In other words they are really must autocrats.
Folks that REALLY believe in Democracy believe in EVERYONE'S right to pursue it - not just US.
Ken
And apparently most of those people are allegedly freedom hating liberals! Who would have thought?! <sarcasm>
Roy, have you ever started a thread that was not about Glenn Beck on this forum? just curious
I'm sure Roy gets harassed all the time for his Beck posts. Some forget they have a choice to click or scroll.
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Beck's stupid Caliphate
