Tell me what democracy looks like! THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE! (generation, attorney)
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For starters, show me one link that shows where raising taxes in Wisconsin is on the table. In fact, the Governor there just gave a $140 million dollar tax break to business.
As far as being average citizens, just who do you think is out there? They've had hundreds of thousands at a time for nearly three weeks now, and the vast majority of polling shows that the general public (both nationally and in Wisconsin) is solidly behind them on protecting collective bargaining rights. Are they "not average citizens" if they don't agree with YOU?
You are still hanging on to your fixed poll? LMAO! Keep it going, you are making your propaganda ministry very happy. Hundreds of thousands of average citizens? Here's another LMAO for you. Those were left wing activists bussed in from all over the nation. The left and unions are going to lose this one big time, they are wasting their time and effort. They should just concentrate on moving forward and stop crying like children.
I am not against protest, I have done my fair share. I am pointing out that democracy leads to people fighting over a limited resource and the fight is now do we take from one group or take from the other. Protests should be about protecting rights.
People will never put others' rights over their own, especially on limited resources. Democracy lets everybody participate in the struggle that comes naturally to people. A lack of democracy would be different in only that a select few get to take over the limited resources. And I think the latter goes against the premise of "all men are created equal", or "the rights of man".
You are still hanging on to your fixed poll? LMAO! Keep it going, you are making your propaganda ministry very happy. Hundreds of thousands of average citizens? Here's another LMAO for you. Those were left wing activists bussed in from all over the nation. The left and unions are going to lose this one big time, they are wasting their time and effort. They should just concentrate on moving forward and stop crying like children.
I want you on record as saying Rasmussen is fixed--especially the next time one of you tries to use their results to justify something you're going off about, because Rasmussen is the one you guys always point to. It has the most conservative bias of any polling firm out there--if they say people aren't behind Walker on this, the numbers are even worse for him than what they're reporting. There are a half dozen other polls out there from places like the Wall Street Journal and the New York times that DO show more support than Rasmussen. That was my point--even they (Rasmussen) can't fudge the numbers enough to make this one look good for Walker.
As for the rest of it--whatever. You can spin it anyway you want. If I recall, the one tea party rally that came remotely close to those numbers (for one day) bused people in from across the country and it was planned for months. In the words of the tea party--it was proof of a rebellion!! You have to laugh when the same folks write off a much larger public response as, well...nothing. Keep on believing that
I want you on record as saying Rasmussen is fixed--especially the next time one of you tries to use their results to justify something you're going off about, because Rasmussen is the one you guys always point to. It has the most conservative bias of any polling firm out there--if they say people aren't behind Walker on this, the numbers are even worse for him than what they're reporting. There are a half dozen other polls out there from places like the Wall Street Journal and the New York times that DO show more support than Rasmussen. That was my point--even they (Rasmussen) can't fudge the numbers enough to make this one look good for Walker.
As for the rest of it--whatever. You can spin it anyway you want. If I recall, the one tea party rally that came remotely close to those numbers (for one day) bused people in from across the country and it was planned for months. In the words of the tea party--it was proof of a rebellion!! You have to laugh when the same folks write off a much larger public response as, well...nothing. Keep on believing that
You are funny as hell. I get a kick out of lack of common sense. I really do. Do you know anything about polls? Do you know how to check their sampling data? Do you know how polls get weighted? I really, really don't think you have a clue. There is plenty of information out there about your beloved poll being weighted and fixed. You, on the other hand, want to keep your death grip on it and ignore the facts because it empowers your talking points and agenda. You say you're an R? More like a RINO, a liberal Republican or a Progressive. You would HAVE to be to be so blind and difficult. When someone avoids the truth or facts there is ALWAYS an agenda behind it. ALWAYS! We all know what yours is.
People will never put others' rights over their own, especially on limited resources. Democracy lets everybody participate in the struggle that comes naturally to people. A lack of democracy would be different in only that a select few get to take over the limited resources. And I think the latter goes against the premise of "all men are created equal", or "the rights of man".
I agree, people will never put others rights ahead but they should try and be equal.
A lack of democracy with out individual rights and protections, I agree. This is why we were setup up like we were. The checks and balances were supposed to keep an elite from taking over. Unfortunately thy used the crack in the window when people started thinking we can only succeed if we use the force of the majority.
Resources are not limited in a free society, only when those resources are steered and distributed by the elite do they become limited.
Resources are not limited in a free society, only when those resources are steered and distributed by the elite do they become limited.
Absolutely 100% correct. That's EXACTLY why millions of people die or suffer badly in Socialist or Communists countries. The one that usually gets them is food shortages and starvation.
I agree, people will never put others rights ahead but they should try and be equal.
A lack of democracy with out individual rights and protections, I agree. This is why we were setup up like we were. The checks and balances were supposed to keep an elite from taking over. Unfortunately thy used the crack in the window when people started thinking we can only succeed if we use the force of the majority.
Resources are not limited in a free society, only when those resources are steered and distributed by the elite do they become limited.
There is no such thing as limitless resources in ANY society. If that happens to be the premise of your debate, we would be operating on different grounds. However, you were speaking of limited resources earlier so can I assume that is your position? Or, is it that we're not a free society, hence limited resources?
Why do you think people's ability to protest is opposed to checks and balances, and that they should shut up and deal with it? People are engaged in a movement that is allowed by the set up which also includes checks and balances, and they have every right to take steps outlined within the constitutions. If they want to go for a referendum or recall (as in Ohio and Wisconsin), the constitution provides means to do that. Do you believe it was a bad idea?
You are funny as hell. I get a kick out of lack of common sense. I really do. Do you know anything about polls? Do you know how to check their sampling data? Do you know how polls get weighted? I really, really don't think you have a clue. There is plenty of information out there about your beloved poll being weighted and fixed. You, on the other hand, want to keep your death grip on it and ignore the facts because it empowers your talking points and agenda. You say you're an R? More like a RINO, a liberal Republican or a Progressive. You would HAVE to be to be so blind and difficult. When someone avoids the truth or facts there is ALWAYS an agenda behind it. ALWAYS! We all know what yours is.
You're making the claim, so back it up, Show me a credible link that accuses Rasmussen of EVER having a liberal bias. I'd love to see it.
Why are you so nasty? Just asking. Did your mom not hug you enough or something? There's no reason to attack people personally just because they disagree with you.
You're making the claim, so back it up, Show me a credible link that accuses Rasmussen of EVER having a liberal bias. I'd love to see it.
Why are you so nasty? Just asking. Did your mom not hug you enough or something? There's no reason to attack people personally just because they disagree with you.
My opinions are not attacks. They are opinions. Did I call you any names? Political affiliation labels don't count. No I didn't. Why I am being short with you is because you are side stepping all reality and fact here just to blather your agenda around. You need to look at the proof about the over sampling and weighting in that poll you want to bring to the grave with you. Look it up on the internet, the information is out there. Roysoldboy posted it, but you ignored it as is expected. So the fact remains, you either are a bit confused and need some correcting, or you are here to spread propaganda. Which is it? It really seems like the latter because you refuse to hear anything else or even entertain the idea that there is proof of the poll being inccurate, but you won't budge. That is not indicative of someone who actually wants to know the truth, that actually stinks of deliberate falsification of facts.
Gov. Walker should be commended for getting these hooligans off the streets.
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Show me a credible link that accuses Rasmussen of EVER having a liberal bias. I'd love to see it.
