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Old 07-24-2007, 10:23 AM
 
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I thought it was based on the Iroquois Indians of New York?
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Old 07-24-2007, 10:25 AM
 
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I did not want to be part of the bonfire you have probably started so I will only comment on a small part of your post.

My husband used to work for Avondale Mills, a textile company that had been open since before the civil war. Now most Americans are wearing stuff from places like China (Even American patriotic clothing is made in foreign countries now days) 4000 people in America lost their jobs when the company closed it's doors. My husband was out of work for over 6 months before he found the job he has now.

If you love your country make an effort to buy stuff that was made in your country at least part of the time.

If you don't buy stuff from your neighbors today, don't be surprised if your taxes are paying for his welfare tomorrow.


BTW does anyone know of a computer company that has tech support people who have been speaking English for more than two weeks?
Having computer problems is stressful enough without having to struggle to understand what your tech support person is saying.
This is the result of globalization. For some reason Americans have been brainwashed into thinking it's OK for our well paying jobs to go overseas as long as we can buy a tee-shirt at Wal-Mart or five dollars.

Globalization is great for corporations, but we aren't a nation of corporations. And what's in the best interests of corporations isn't always in the best interests of the American workers.
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Old 07-24-2007, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Texas- moving back to New England!
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I did not want to be part of the bonfire you have probably started so I will only comment on a small part of your post.

My husband used to work for Avondale Mills, a textile company that had been open since before the civil war. Now most Americans are wearing stuff from places like China (Even American patriotic clothing is made in foreign countries now days) 4000 people in America lost their jobs when the company closed it's doors. My husband was out of work for over 6 months before he found the job he has now.

If you love your country make an effort to buy stuff that was made in your country at least part of the time.

If you don't buy stuff from your neighbors today, don't be surprised if your taxes are paying for his welfare tomorrow.


BTW does anyone know of a computer company that has tech support people who have been speaking English for more than two weeks?
Having computer problems is stressful enough without having to struggle to understand what your tech support person is saying.
You hit the nail on the head, thanks for the support. I am glad to see people speaking up rather than hiding in a closet about these issues. Unfortunately for clothing, I would be hard pressed to put clothes on my back which had "Made In United States" on the label. We'd all have to go naked from what I've seen. On the Tech Support, I agree totally. Even issues such as calling in about your Student Loans at large student lenders are routed to India. WHY do these people have the ability to have all your personal information, including Social Security Number on file in INDIA? It's an outrage.
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Old 07-24-2007, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Texas- moving back to New England!
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I DID know that about the Swiss-- not sure how our gov't is "based" on theirs, though. THey do seem to run an enviable little operation there in the Alps, but of course, don't share our huge territory or our place in the world's spotlight.....They DO seem to have adapted well to a multi-lingual society.
When the Founding Fathers penned our Constitution, they used the Swiss as a model. Our government isn't exactly the same, it was just based on theirs. The multi-lingual society in Switzerland works well because that is how Europe has been for a very long time with much travel between countries and many languages. Not so here in the U.S.
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Old 07-24-2007, 10:52 AM
 
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How I feel about America. The words sound negative, and I must say I don't feel very good about our country, or it's leadership at this point in my life of nearly 40 years. At one time I thought this country was a 'Great Nation'. It has been slowly eroding in my opinion. Until the American people stand up and FIRE our Government and get a whole new group of people in, we can only slide further into a dictatorship.

Things I feel are destroying this country from within:

Poor leadership which is lead from behind the scenes by big money corporations. We no longer have a President, House or Senate. Our government is a puppet whose strings are pulled by big business and no longer listens to what the PEOPLE of this nation want. They hear what we want, and IGNORE us.

Outsourcing of American Jobs: There are men and women in this country who once had good paying jobs and now are on unemployment and losing everything they have because some company decided it would be cheaper to shut down their plant here in this country and give some foreigner a job doing the same thing for pennies on the dollar. I had mailed the President and Mr. Kerry before their election and told them that this should be made ILLEGAL, but of course it fell on deaf ears. American companies should only be able to hire and pay American CITIZENS.

Illegal Immigrants: All Illegal Aliens should be deported immediately, without delay. There should be no 'Green Card'. If you want to be here, apply to come here and learn English and become an American Citizen and contributing member of society. Those not learning English within 2 years should be deported back to their maiden country for non-compliance. There should be no government aid for immigrants. As well, there are illegal immigrants working in jobs in this country which formerly employed American Citizens, but for MUCH LOWER WAGES. Companies found that by employing cheap illegal labor, they could cut their costs and now American Citizens who refuse to work for such low wages, are now out of work.

Affirmative action should be abolished. Affirmative action is a farce which gives minorities an unfair advantage over people of white race in the job market and educational arena. To remove racist tendencies of employers or admissions officials at institutions of higher learning there should be no physical description of candidates for the position. No 'in person' or telephone interviews. All interviews should be done on paper or computer to eliminate favoritism. Organizations which are themselves racist under the guise of 'promoting a better life for minorities' such as the NAACP, United Negro College fund and other such entities should be abolished.

If I were President, I'd probably be shot by the CIA for trying to straighten out this country. The reality is that the PEOPLE need to straighten out this country.
As the risk of stating the obvious, you can try to change things by voting for the people who believe in the things you believe in. The presidential candidates make their stance on some issues very clearly. I notice one of things you find unacceptable is illegal immigration. Vote for one who doesn't believe that illegal immigration or amnesty is good for this country. Same thing with corporate greed -- there are still some candidates who believe in the American workers. Begin at the political process and go from there. Good luck.

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Old 07-24-2007, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Oxford, England
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This is the result of globalization. For some reason Americans have been brainwashed into thinking it's OK for our well paying jobs to go overseas as long as we can buy a tee-shirt at Wal-Mart or five dollars.

Globalization is great for corporations, but we aren't a nation of corporations. And what's in the best interests of corporations isn't always in the best interests of the American workers.
I quite agree.
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Old 07-24-2007, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Texas- moving back to New England!
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Voting is a crap shoot. Find a candidate which doesn't lie through their teeth and then do the opposite when they get in office?

How about we put a law into effect that states that when a candidate enters office, they must follow through on what they said while running, or be put out of office effective immediately? There needs to be a system of checks and balances for these clowns who are trying to be our President.
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Old 07-24-2007, 11:19 AM
 
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As the risk of stating the obvious, you can try to change things by voting for the people who believe in the things you believe in. The presidential candidates make their stance on some issues very clearly. I notice one of things you find unacceptable is illegal immigration. Vote for one who doesn't believe that illegal immigration or amnesty is good for this country. Same thing with corporate greed -- there are still some candidates who believe in the American workers. Begin at the political process and go from there. Good luck.
to me it's obvious that it's a two-party dominated system, and if you don't vote dem or rep on election day you're indirectly supporting one or the other (unless you would otherwise just not vote). in 2000, nader lovers voted in bush. i liked nader myself in several respects, but saw that the country was very split on the two parties and so i voted gore just to stop bush. as long as this country is so split between the two parties i will never vote outside of them. lesser of two evils.

i will also state pre-emptively that no! both parties are not the same! you'll never convince me our country would be in a situation this unfortunate if gore were president.
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Old 07-24-2007, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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How I feel about America. The words sound negative, and I must say I don't feel very good about our country, or it's leadership at this point in my life of nearly 40 years. At one time I thought this country was a 'Great Nation'. It has been slowly eroding in my opinion. Until the American people stand up and FIRE our Government and get a whole new group of people in, we can only slide further into a dictatorship.

Things I feel are destroying this country from within:

Poor leadership which is lead from behind the scenes by big money corporations. We no longer have a President, House or Senate. Our government is a puppet whose strings are pulled by big business and no longer listens to what the PEOPLE of this nation want. They hear what we want, and IGNORE us.

Outsourcing of American Jobs: There are men and women in this country who once had good paying jobs and now are on unemployment and losing everything they have because some company decided it would be cheaper to shut down their plant here in this country and give some foreigner a job doing the same thing for pennies on the dollar. I had mailed the President and Mr. Kerry before their election and told them that this should be made ILLEGAL, but of course it fell on deaf ears. American companies should only be able to hire and pay American CITIZENS.

Illegal Immigrants: All Illegal Aliens should be deported immediately, without delay. There should be no 'Green Card'. If you want to be here, apply to come here and learn English and become an American Citizen and contributing member of society. Those not learning English within 2 years should be deported back to their maiden country for non-compliance. There should be no government aid for immigrants. As well, there are illegal immigrants working in jobs in this country which formerly employed American Citizens, but for MUCH LOWER WAGES. Companies found that by employing cheap illegal labor, they could cut their costs and now American Citizens who refuse to work for such low wages, are now out of work.

Affirmative action should be abolished. Affirmative action is a farce which gives minorities an unfair advantage over people of white race in the job market and educational arena. To remove racist tendencies of employers or admissions officials at institutions of higher learning there should be no physical description of candidates for the position. No 'in person' or telephone interviews. All interviews should be done on paper or computer to eliminate favoritism. Organizations which are themselves racist under the guise of 'promoting a better life for minorities' such as the NAACP, United Negro College fund and other such entities should be abolished.

If I were President, I'd probably be shot by the CIA for trying to straighten out this country. The reality is that the PEOPLE need to straighten out this country.
I love the U.S. and think it's awesome....but, unfortunately I belive you are more then correct...I believe we the people have also become puppets to our very own virtual reality, meaning, it is a world we have created for ourselves, our own little worlds, and fear coloring outside the lines...we are in denial....and will be our own demise...
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Old 07-24-2007, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Texas- moving back to New England!
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to me it's obvious that it's a two-party dominated system, and if you don't vote dem or rep on election day you're indirectly supporting one or the other (unless you would otherwise just not vote). in 2000, nader lovers voted in bush. i liked nader myself in several respects, but saw that the country was very split on the two parties and so i voted gore just to stop bush. as long as this country is so split between the two parties i will never vote outside of them. lesser of two evils.
What if the candidates are both bad? Lesser of two evils? Why not throw them out and demand new candidates??? I don't feel the PEOPLE have to put up with whatever is brought to the board, I think we can demand new candidates if we do not agree with either candidate. As well, I think what I just said previously about passing a law to make candidates follow their proposed actions after election be instated.
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