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Yawn. Maybe people in Dearborn need to pass a law where Christian missiionaries are granted immunity from charges of harassment. Otherwise they deserved to be arrested.
Its funny some people on these boards complain and whine all day long about any article linked to Huffington Post and like, and yet they go to likes of Thomas Moore Law center for pushing their daily agenda.
When I challenge Huff-n-Puff, I do so by pointing out a complete lack of any evidence for their claims. Quotes are almost always incomplete sentence fragments accompanied by a narrative and claims by anonymous sources.
[quote=djmilf;18226905]Someone on YouTube has already debunked the Acts 17 group vis a vis their "persecution" at the Arab Festival in Dearborn in both 2009 and 2010:
Five videos. Watch ALL of them. It completely discects the lies told by the Acts 17 group by matching up their own commentary on their own videos with their own actions on their own videos.[/quote
Well, I guess those disturbing the peace charges stuck, right?
Five videos. Watch ALL of them. It completely discects the lies told by the Acts 17 group by matching up their own commentary on their own videos with their own actions on their own videos.
Discects lies?
What lies?
Do you have proof they disturbed the peace?
This should shed some light on the standard applied in a similar case...
"It is not claimed that he Page 310 U. S. 309 intended to insult or affront the hearers by playing the record. It is plain that he wished only to interest them in his propaganda. The sound of the phonograph is not shown to have disturbed residents of the street, to have drawn a crowd, or to have impeded traffic. Thus far, he had invaded no right or interest of the public, or of the men accosted. The record played by Cantwell embodies a general attack on all organized religious systems as instruments of Satan and injurious to man; it then singles out the Roman Catholic Church for strictures couched in terms which naturally would offend not only persons of that persuasion, but all others who respect the honestly held religious faith of their fellows. The hearers were, in fact, highly offended. One of them said he felt like hitting Cantwell, and the other that he was tempted to throw Cantwell off the street. The one who testified he felt like hitting Cantwell said, in answer to the question "Did you do anything else or have any other reaction?" "No, sir, because he said he would take the victrola, and he went." The other witness testified that he told Cantwell he had better get off the street before something happened to him, and that was the end of the matter, as Cantwell picked up his books and walked up the street. Cantwell's conduct, in the view of the court below, considered apart from the effect of his communication upon his hearers, did not amount to a breach of the peace."
I'm also quite familiar with organizing large annual events, like the one in Dearborn. Obviously you are not. When you have such large events, where you are selling vendor spaces, and issuing permits, there are a multitude of rules. At indoor car and boat shows, for instance, there are a host of rules that are imposed because of insurance requirements. The same is true of outdoor events where vendors and other participants use electricity and water, where foods are being cooked, where various tools are being used. There are fire regulations, and city codes that have to be observed. More than that, an organizer of such a venue is selling spaces with a particular focus. In this case, the festival is a celebration of a cultural heritage. You don't set up a funeral services booth at a wedding show, and you don't set up a Scandinavian heritage booth at a Jewish event. The organizers were accommodating the Bill of Rights, including both freedom of speech and freedom of religion, by allowing several Christian groups to participate. Only one of those Christian groups participated with the intent of creating a disturbance. As I stated earlier, I do think the police, in their attempt to be pro-active, overstepped their authority, hence the charges against this group being dropped. But I think their lawsuit against the police lacks substance as well, and is only more of an attempt to garner media attention, just as what happened at the festival was an attempt to garner media attention. They are manipulators with an agenda.
Did you see how the Act 17 group lied when they claimed that Christians weren't allowed to distribute literature at the Arab International Festival?
Did you see where they stalked and harassed the one female security worker?
Did you see where they tried to play 'video gotcha' with a couple of muslims? Or, should I say, tried and failed?
Did you see where the Act 17 group were the ones who originally sought out the security personnel back in the 2009 incident and dragged them into the situation?
Did you see how it's all about Act 17 manufacturing incidents to support the multiple civil lawsuits against the City of Dearborn, filed by both themselves in 2010 and by their associate, the pamphlet author/publisher, in 2009?
Follow the money...you'll see what Act 17 is really about.
Did you see how the Act 17 group lied when they claimed that Christians weren't allowed to distribute literature at the Arab International Festival?
Did you see where they stalked and harassed the one female security worker?
Did you see where they tried to play 'video gotcha' with a couple of muslims? Or, should I say, tried and failed?
Did you see where the Act 17 group were the ones who originally sought out the security personnel back in the 2009 incident and dragged them into the situation?
Did you see how it's all about Act 17 manufacturing incidents to support the multiple civil lawsuits against the City of Dearborn, filed by both themselves in 2010 and by their associate, the pamphlet author/publisher, in 2009?
Follow the money...you'll see what Act 17 is really about.
Or keep dangling straw men in front of us...
It's a little late to sling mud and blame the victims.
"Friday afternoon at the 19th District Court, four Christian missionaries affiliated with the Acts 17 apologetics group where acquitted of inciting a crowd at the local Arab Festival. The jury found them not guilty of the charges of 'breach of peace'."
So that fact that the Acts 17 group, according to their own video, went into the crowd looking to cause a situation and expecting to be arrested means nothing?
So the fact that the Acts 17 group then actively sought out the security personnel to complain about their supposed 'persecution' when people refused to be video recorded by this group means nothing?
Do you deny that Acts 17 group lies about Christians and Christian literature being banned at the festival? Or that they lie about 'Sharia Law' being enforced in Dearborn?
Yes, they were arrested...they were all but begging to be arrested. Yes, a jury acquitted them of the charges of disturbing the peace. Yes they are now filing a civil lawsuit against the city of Dearborn.
It's working out just like the Acts 17 group planned all along.
So that fact that the Acts 17 group, according to their own video, went into the crowd looking to cause a situation and expecting to be arrested means nothing?
So the fact that the Acts 17 group then actively sought out the security personnel to complain about their supposed 'persecution' when people refused to be video recorded by this group means nothing?
Do you deny that Acts 17 group lies about Christians and Christian literature being banned at the festival? Or that they lie about 'Sharia Law' being enforced in Dearborn?
Yes, they were arrested...they were all but begging to be arrested. Yes, a jury acquitted them of the charges of disturbing the peace. Yes they are now filing a civil lawsuit against the city of Dearborn.
It's working out just like the Acts 17 group planned all along.
Follow the money....it's all about the money....
It does mean something.
It means City officials in Dearbornistan can be expected to violate the Constitutional rights of law abiding citizens to accommodate their Muslim constituents.
Do you not understand what a civil rights protest is?
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