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Old 03-11-2011, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Today's electronics are more delicate than previous generations.
Nonsense.

Today's electronics are way past vacuum tubes and even older solid-state electronics. The abuse my poor laptop and blackberry have been through... my god but even I'm amazed at the abuse they take.

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Look on craigslist and find out just how many kindles and ipads with broken screens you can buy.
Okay... I took your advice. I just went up on Craigslist and looked.

I found a lot of kindles and iPads. I did not find a single one with a broken screen.
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Old 03-11-2011, 11:16 AM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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I posted a link earlier. I collaborate with these folks listed. We're not software developers primarily speaking, we're researchers associated with dynamic narrative generation, natural language, and data mining. You should look up Leonardo by the same group, a project that was recently awarded $3.5M in NSF money. Look under the group's publication page for research we've done.

The Intellimedia Group - Projects
Thanks. I will check this out.
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Old 03-11-2011, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Actually... that has not been my experience at all.


While I'm not sure where anybody has talked about it being "their primary mode of education," it is pretty clear that a teacher standing in front of a room as a "primary mode" is failing us. This is what requires us to march towards the lowest common denominator in terms of content and pace.

The ability to customize and deliver curricula at the pace of the individual student could revolutionize our competitiveness. Devices like these will allow that.


Why send them with it? We're not talking about a Howdy Doody Lunch Box.


I got kids. I don't seem to have had the same problems raising them you have though. I waste no effort trying to account for that.
Go volunteer in a school where 80% or more are on reduced lunch and have behavior/emotional/home problems. Then watch that teacher try to teach. The teacher is not "failing us". When a kid has slept in a van all night and hasn't eaten breakfast..learning about math is the last thing they are interested in. It's easy to blame the teachers.
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Old 03-11-2011, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Tower of Heaven
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Yes baby, good bye heavy books
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Old 03-11-2011, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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These kids do not have IPhones...where are you getting this data ?
I didn't say they had iPhones.

I got the data from the Center on Media and Child Health.

Cell Phones
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Old 03-11-2011, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Oh... more than just the affluent districts.

22 percent of young children already own a cell phone (ages 6-9), 60 percent of tweens (ages 10-14), and 84 percent of teens (ages 15-18). These are the devices that all the education friendly OSs are converging on.

IPhone, Droid, WindowsPhone... you name it.
Looks to me like you did.
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Old 03-11-2011, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Here
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Nonsense.

Today's electronics are way past vacuum tubes and even older solid-state electronics. The abuse my poor laptop and blackberry have been through... my god but even I'm amazed at the abuse they take.

Yes. Todays electronics are fail-proof.

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Old 03-11-2011, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Go volunteer in a school where 80% or more are on reduced lunch and have behavior/emotional/home problems.
Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt.

Further more, my wife has spent 30+ years in that environment as a Sped Diagnostician. She is having crushing success with these technologies in a population that has already been failed by the traditional brick and mortar school system.

Next?

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Then watch that teacher try to teach. The teacher is not "failing us".
I never said the teachers are failing us. What these teachers are doing is heroic.

I said the model is failing us. It was designed for an agrarian society that has not been the reality in this country for generations.

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When a kid has slept in a van all night and hasn't eaten breakfast..learning about math is the last thing they are interested in. It's easy to blame the teachers.
You are the only one in this thread who has suggested we blame the teachers. And I could show you a number of these kids who have come to adore math.
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Old 03-11-2011, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Nonsense.

Today's electronics are way past vacuum tubes and even older solid-state electronics. The abuse my poor laptop and blackberry have been through... my god but even I'm amazed at the abuse they take.
Good to hear your devices have lived.

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Okay... I took your advice. I just went up on Craigslist and looked.

I found a lot of kindles and iPads. I did not find a single one with a broken screen.
2 kindles in my area (Raleigh). My sony reader was destroyed merely by a textbook leaning up against it too much in a backpack. Ebay has quite a few also. Drop your kindle from 5 feet and see what happens. The daily abuse a child without any understanding of money and labor that goes into making one is multiplied. Since I am an expert in the area of mobile learning platforms, as we conduct our studies we get a first hand look at how children work with technology. Our group is not prepared to loan any of our iPads to these children without supervision, primarily out of fear of them breaking.
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Old 03-11-2011, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Looks to me like you did.
Along with two other OSs. And even that was not a comprehensive list.

Please... do not try to rewrite my posts.
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