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Old 04-16-2011, 07:45 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Driller1 View Post
My money is MINE.....

I am the one the took the risk...

I am the one that went without....

I am the one that worked in the heat and cold...

I am the one who will work 60 hours per week++....

The rest of the people in the US can get thier own.

Any one who does my think my job is hard, PM me.

I will give you a chance to try it.
I think you typoed this line..
"Any one who does my think my job is hard, PM me."

You mean this right?
Any one who doesN'T my think my job is hard, PM me.

Do I still get a chance to try it?
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Old 04-16-2011, 07:50 AM
 
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I think you typoed this line..
"Any one who does my think my job is hard, PM me."

You mean this right?
Any one who doesN'T my think my job is hard, PM me.

Do I still get a chance to try it?
You are right and you are invited!!!!
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Old 04-16-2011, 08:04 AM
 
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Driller my world works in funny ways sometimes. I think I am part granite and part sugar maple tree, and so pretty hard bound to living in NH. But every time I create a rule of life for me, something happens, and I end up doing things I thought I never would. So it is possible I might take up that invite one day.

I don't know the first thing about what you do, while I do know what you do. Never the less the first time something breaks down I am willing to bet you would find me handy. Everybody else does.
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Old 04-16-2011, 08:10 AM
 
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Driller my world works in funny ways sometimes. I think I am part granite and part sugar maple tree, and so pretty hard bound to living in NH. But every time I create a rule of life for me, something happens, and I end up doing things I thought I never would. So it is possible I might take up that invite one day.

I don't know the first thing about what you do, while I do know what you do. Never the less the first time something breaks down I am willing to bet you would find me handy. Everybody else does.
I drill water wells.
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Old 04-16-2011, 08:26 AM
 
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Yeah, I know that.... I know what you do, but I don't know how you do it. The reason that is, is I have never done it. I have a crude basic idea on how that works, but since I have never done it, I am sure there are many things I don't know, like what happens if the drill points snaps off several hundred feet below the ground surface.

I can see you would pull the rig up and pull out as much pipe as you can, but that bit and some length of pipe is still deep in the hole. There has to be a way to recover that right?

If i recall you drill rig is digital too, but I am not sure if that is for GPS, or for letting a PC drive the rig, sort of like CNC metal working.

Then I imagine some slave runs pipe after pipe to the rig, and with some form of clamp, or unions threads on new pipe to go deeper.

Probably as a guess some understanding of what kind of rock is being drilled causes a need to understand which pipe types to use in a probable metalic selection of pipe metals.

I would guess drilling in granite is a little different than drilling in sand stone.

These are just wild guesses of course, as I said i don't know a thing about how you do what you do.

I would also guess someone gets pretty dirty, covered in oils, grease, and mud. I know all about that part, even if it doesn't happen drilling water wells. I am eternally covered in all of those things and woods chips as well. The end result is I shop in thrift stores for rags since anything I wear becomes rags in a few days or less.
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Old 04-16-2011, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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i was doing two paper routes and caddying in between before i reached my teens and never looked back. More than taxes, not having debt is the name of the game, the middle class and working poor are slaves to the banks. I could never understand why someone thought paying a dollar in mortgage interest to a bank so you could get a 25 cent deduction from IRS was a good deal. I retired before 55 because I have more than I need. My fidelity guy says we'd have to spend 5 or 6 times as faster or we will have to worry about that old death tax, LOL.
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That is the difference between me and some others on CD.

When I was 19 I was working three jobs.

On one of my breaks I pick up a magazine with an article just like your link.

I started reading about taxes and our system.

I next year I put what I read to work and found out they where right.

Oh, what they did to hundreds of thousands I did with hundreds.

But, it gave me capital.
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Old 04-16-2011, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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I drill water wells.
any concerns about this fracking the oil and gas guys are doing? have any customers with contaminated water? they have cover our area with unsolicited lease agreement in the last month or so.
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Old 04-16-2011, 09:01 AM
 
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Default But.... barbeque the rich first before you eat them!

I only had to read as far as post #20 to have my fill of this commie "share your wealth with ME!" crap! In Canada, the top marginal rate was, a few years back, around 57%, and that on income over $68k. And guess what? The country is still going to hell. ANSWER? Tax 'em higher? Rubbish! Government will always find a way to waste your money!

Several of the following responses are typical of those who haven't the faintest idea how this all works, but boy do they love class envy and simplistic solutions that "git the [so-called] rich!" (which, BTW, are usually those who know how to work hard, conserve their income, invest it properly and are not purely parasitic on the population!)

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No it wouldn't balance the budget, but the top marginal rate should be increased, the bottom 50% needs to pay something and we need to cut spending.
Nope. We should have a flat tax, where the so-called wealthy would STILL pay way more than you and I. (can I bold this somehow even more?). Apparently some don't get this; the wealthy ALREADY pay a lot more in absolute $$$, which seems somehow insufficient to the money grabbing libs. They want to endlessly punish entrepreneurial spirit...

Why on earth should those with a higher income, due almost always because of their investment in their education, their work ethic and their outright optimism, pay a higher PERCENTAGE of their income? Tell me that? Because you can't get off your duff, go back to school (which involves sacrifice and student loans and... did I mention sacrifice...)???

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The marginal tax rate for the upper class should be increased but 100% is ridiculous. If we increased the tax rates for the upper class slightly, to say 40%, it would help.

But, and this is the big one, this is only if we fix/repair/adjust Medicare/Medicaid. Health Insurance costs are rising sharply and have been for the past 10 years. Easiest way to fix this: tort reform.
Answer: "upping" the top marginal rate would not, as you say, "HELP". Even 100%, as was proven in an earlier post, does not fix it. That alone should prove the folly. . So why do you think some sort of "increase" would help in any way? Obama and thinkers like him would just spend it in a wink of his fiscal eye. And he'd spend it on more Entitilement Programs, so as to buy more votes. Simple, huh?

It would simply be giving in to socialist money grabbers who only focus on entitlement programs and the lower middle class because those are the most susceptible to gov'mint give-aways in return for their votes. Votes that put lazy politicians into positions of personal wealth and power, and provide them with a pulpit from which to bloviate endlessly, get free health care and a staggeringly generous pension. Why not, eh?

But oh yeah: it would also kill off any and all new inestment in the businesses that the do-called wealthy usually own or manage. But hey: who needs quality anyhow, huh? We can all just sit around the people's vodka distribution store, with glazed eyes....

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The tax rate paid today by wealthy people hasn't been this low since the 1950's. How low does it have to be to make them happy? How much do the other classes have to sacrifice in paying off the deficit? The only way to fix the deficit is for all to share in sacrifice. So far the only sacrifices have been by the middle and lower classes. It's time for the Republicans to make some sacrifices too and expect the wealthy to give up their most recent tax break. The deficit can't be fixed by spending cuts alone. It requires increased revenue. Time for the wealthy to own up to their fair share. Did you really think we were going to solve this deficit by only taking from the poor, the middle class, and the elderly?
Rubbish, frankly, and easily proven so. Who ever said we'd ONLY "take" from those classes? Do you also suggest that the wealthy aren't paying anything right now? Without them, you'd not have anything you probably now recieve. How short-sighted and mis-informed. I'd be ashamed if I were as uninformed or purposefully mis-drected as you. Sigh... Liberals: A combination of greed, ill-education and sloth! Charming.

You probably meant, "in order to get the same advantages and breaks that the low incomers and middle class have had all along", right? And tell me: what "tax break"? That's purely a media talking point, and that's all. The "wealthy" already pay hugely MORE than you ever will. Why? The upper marginal tax rate is STILL far higher than what you pay, but Nooooo.... that's just not enough blood is it? My experiences in Canada (and those of the poor citizens of that socialist hell-hole, Sweden, back about 15 yrs ago, where they eventually had to dial back all the marginal rates or lose their country...) all prove, without a doubt, that massively punitive tax rates only lead to a faster demise of productive society.

You like sharing everything, so that the truly productive and innovative are punished? Then go back to the old Soviet Socialist Republic and go get your daily tot of government vodka to keep you placid. And then note how well it worked for them. EPIC FAIL, BTW...

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What in your mind is a "fair share". You aware that the top 10% of earners already pay 70% of all taxes.
You are so right, QE. The only answer that liberal socialists really like is probably to jail all those evil types who started and now own businesses that employ others (as I do), and force them down into the mines to work on their knees. Oh, and seize all their property and resources and re-distribute that to those who wasted their youth, did nothing to better themselves, or who have perhaps just fallen on some hard times due to, let's say, loss of a job because of it being exported overseas. Far be it for them to fight back and get into the game again. Nope: better to go on the dole, and demonize "the wealthy". Typical.

Shipping manufacturing overseas is precisely because the scurilous and communistic US labor unions have forced that situation because they've always insisted on outrageously high wages and bennies. Such demands kept those toothless, brainless union leaders in positions of power and personal wealth (see: Jimmy Hoffa) You know, in return for the average laborer's grd.9 educations and beer and gasoline and Wal-Mart material consumption and contributions to marketing science? Yes sir!

[Late Breaking Factoids: the US currently has the 6th highest corporate taxes in the world, and our top marginal personal rate, 35%, is the 3rd highest in the world. Best we up it to the highest, yes? Yeah! That'll show them greedy money-grubbing entrepreneurs! (all stomp feet together now, like a group of kiddies out in the schoolyard...)]

See the pathway, grasshopper? Now; go and practice thinking and common sense. Please!

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Old 04-16-2011, 09:17 AM
 
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One of the consequences is it will cost jobs.

I recently bid a job for $230,000 that would have kept five people employed at good ($18 to $26/hr) for four months resulting in $85,000 in payroll. On top of this we would have purchased materials that would have kept another 5 people employed whether in the manufacturing sector, warehousing being a delivery truck driver.

I need the work and had highest of high hopes until when a few days ago the owner told me he had to put the project on indefinite hold due to .... drum roll please.... his tax bill ended being higher than what he thought and the IRS always comes first if you are smart.

So government gets the money which they can pay out to people that were employed by me but aren't because government took the money first.

But then what would you rather have, a job paying $800/week with full benefits or unemployment paying $340 and you get to pay COBRA? But by God they showed the evil rich guy who was boss!
Yes, that has to be all because of the taxes (sarcasm). Sounds more like an error in budgeting and planning. There's a lot of other factors that had to contribute to it that it seems silly to blame it all on taxes. People don't hire simply because they have money to burn, there needs to be a demand that brings in suitable profits or gratification. In your case, your owner didn't see the profits/gratification from your job being worth it.
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Old 04-16-2011, 09:34 AM
 
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And that is because of income disparity in America, which has been growing over last 3-4 decades. In a country with an increasing income divide, logic dictates that a greater part of the taxes will come from those who make more. In an extreme case, think of a person making $1 million and his five servants making $1000 each. Why do you think the five could contribute as much as the master in terms of income taxes?
I clearly see not enough young people (note that I didn't say "any", before you launch on me...) taking the hard route, going into university and becoming engineers, doctors, scientists, etc. Not partying but studying. The slothful do not even take on becoming welders, electronic technicians, etc. No; they want to become hair dressers, McDonald's line workers, auto mechanics, truck drivers, Wal-Mart attendents, or worst: union laborers. And so, yes, you makes your mind up and takes your lumps.

Later, when you realize, deep down inside, that you blew it, you start to complain that your high school class mate, Fred, who is now living significantly "up scale" from you, is also an engineer working for, say, Hewlett-Packard, Boeing, etc. His wife is also educated and successful. Combined income: $250,000, and therefore they are "Wealthy" (cue the eery, evil music...) (Oh yeah; they also pay well over $120k in taxes alone, but who's counting? Better that you play some sort of fiscally raped victim, right? Meantime, let Fred and his wife pay MORE! MORE I tell you! MORE!)

And so you want to tap into his wealth, right? He owes you, yes? You've had it hard, and he has not, am I close?

BTW, which political party do you belong to again?
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