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Old 05-03-2011, 09:22 AM
 
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And since when did the 'moral purpose' of government become the re-distribution of wealth, be it downward or upward?

How is your bank account doing? Can your household afford $800,000.00 in debt in the years to come if the Obama 2012 budget makes its way through?

The American Spectator : Red Ink and Upward Redistribution

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After doing nothing during his first two years in office to deal with the debt tsunami that's clearly visible on the horizon and heading our way, President Obama delivered a 2012 budget plan that, as Investor's Business Daily accurately editorialized, "proposed spending $252 billion more in 2012 than the feds spent in 2010 -- at the height of the stimulus spending spree."

Longer run, worse than doing nothing, Obama's projected budgets over the next decade add enough trillions in red ink to double the size of the incoming tsunami.

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Old 05-03-2011, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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After doing nothing during his first two years in office to deal with the debt tsunami...
My memory isn't so bad that I can't remember December, when Obama tried to let the Bush tax-cuts expire (the Bush tax-cuts are the largest cause of the debt [see below]) and the Republicans held the unemployed hostage. Letting the Bush tax-cuts expire would go a long way towards long-term debt sanity.

However, why has the conversation shifted from high unemployment to a sudden urgency on debt? Cutting the deficit in a recession is counter-productive and is exactly the policy that Hoover advocated prior to the depression. When government can borrow at close to 0%, deficit spending is the correct policy during a recession.

The focus should be on putting the unemployed back to work and the deficit will diminish on its own as the primary portion of recent deficits are caused by the economic downturn.

Here is a must read from the same economist: http://www.vanityfair.com/society/fe...percent-201105

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Old 05-03-2011, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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And since when did the 'moral purpose' of government become the re-distribution of wealth, be it downward or upward?

How is your bank account doing? Can your household afford $800,000.00 in debt in the years to come if the Obama 2012 budget makes its way through?

The American Spectator : Red Ink and Upward Redistribution
Your first reply doesn't even speak to that budget offering but it may well cover up what you intended to talk about. Deflection is one of old Saul's main suggestions, though.
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Old 05-03-2011, 11:18 AM
 
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There are no "Bush tax cuts". They EXPIRED last year. These are the OBAMA tax cuts now.
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Old 05-03-2011, 11:23 AM
 
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My memory isn't so bad that I can't remember December, when Obama tried to let the Bush tax-cuts expire (the Bush tax-cuts are the largest cause of the debt [see below]) and the Republicans held the unemployed hostage. Letting the Bush tax-cuts expire would go a long way towards long-term debt sanity.

However, why has the conversation shifted from high unemployment to a sudden urgency on debt? Cutting the deficit in a recession is counter-productive and is exactly the policy that Hoover advocated prior to the depression. When government can borrow at close to 0%, deficit spending is the correct policy during a recession.

The focus should be on putting the unemployed back to work and the deficit will diminish on its own as the primary portion of recent deficits are caused by the economic downturn.

Here is a must read from the same economist: Of the 1%, by the 1%, for the 1% | Society | Vanity Fair
Tax cuts don't create debt. SPENDING creates debt.
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Old 05-04-2011, 05:03 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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I see, posts that disagree with the narrative get deleted.

Someone can post, "Tax cuts don't create debt. SPENDING creates debt." But if I counter that post, my response get's deleted but not "Tax cuts don't create debt. SPENDING creates debt."
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Old 05-04-2011, 05:20 AM
 
Location: My little patch of Earth
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There are no "Bush tax cuts". They EXPIRED last year. These are the OBAMA tax cuts now.
And they will soon be reversed.

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Old 05-04-2011, 10:08 AM
 
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And they will soon be reversed.


So Obama was to reinstate the Clinton tax increases.
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